Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Motivations and Goals

Indeed. I see a LOT of things in both RL and SL that offends me. I get over it. Why? Because a place where free expression of thought is allowed is far preferable to a place where such freedom is non-existent.

Suggesting that a certain group of people should be banished to a ghetto or eradicated completely just because someone finds it offensive is a VERY DANGEROUS slippery slope that leads straight to such real-world atrocities as hate and genocide.

I did explain. My mission in Second Life is to promote the use of virtual worlds technology by Native Americans.


This is simply a statement that you are non-Native and have no familiarity with Native culture. There is absolutely nothing more relavant to American Indians than our tribes.


Maybe, but it may also be labeled and packaged as something only consenting adults should witness. In that case, you will just have to deal with it, or leave Second Life.

You can look at whatever you choose. I'm not concerned with you or your desires.

This will be the last comment I make on this subject, because I am coming dangerously close to possibly violating whatever rules of conduct this forum may have. You, Nany Kayo, need to wake up, pull your head out of your rear, open your eyes, and read what you are posting here. What you have just said you wanted, what the very goal of this "movement" of yours is, is absolutely NO different than what was done to native Americans by the colonists. NO! DIFFERENT!

NOW do you understand what we are trying to tell you about engaging in slippery slope ideology?

I've read most of the posts on this subject since as anyone who resides in SL it is very upsetting to see this kind of narrow mindedness and segregation being considered by a "few" at LL over the wishes of the clear majority.

However, the most OFFENSIVE item I have seen so far on all of the posts is the racist comments by one "Nany Kayo". Get your Facts right, and pick up a book ! Gor is a RP community who play and have played on SL for many years now with nothing but honor. IF you bothered to read even one book on what it is based you might comprehend their love of tradition, beauty and culture - but obviously you couldn't be bothered to even do that. Why don't you do some looking around and you will also find the huge Gorean Relay For Life that is going on right now to beneft the American Cancer Society.

Maybe something else that may be noted here for the record, is there is no such things as "scalping" on Gor, which is one activity that would certainly fit into LL's "blood and gore" definition.

OK, and while you are at it, close down the museums, art galleries, and anyone that may think out side the box.
My tiny little egg shell mind was shattered long ago, maybe you are just hatching, but insulting peoples sensibilities with this old rhetoric by suggesting we opt out is annoying.
The land owners in SL (IMHO) are like the Arcade Owners of the 80's catering to their customers needs, and here from the ground, everyone appears to be having fun.
Why are you trying to destroy something that is not broken, or is this just trolling?
I don't get it.

The Lindens asked for my opinion on this subject. This is their forum and their platform. The owners of this website have given me explicit permission to speak on this issue - the motivation and goals of the upcoming change in the display of adult content in SL.

turns out to be something I have motivation and goals for.

Well, it is broken. It's not working. At least one group of people is being marginalized by vulgar, obscene, hateful, and racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable content.

also being ripped off in violation of federal law, but we wil get to that later.

Good God !!!!

....and your tribe is not promoting casinos yet?

Well that would be wonderful as long as it did not suppress me from exploring whatever I choose here, then your goals would be achieved in your world your imagination and leave political social discorse out of it. Why attempt to hold a tribunal on a growing content community? Learning as we go, and from our mistakes.
Everyone has self interest, in fact it's part of the reason we are still here, so I think I'm gonna take a break from this romance and be compassionate to everyone who would rather not see ban lines come back as the norm in SL.

It is totally outrageous that LindenLab is trying to turn SL into one big-fat-boring-teen-grid.
There already IS a G-rated-only teen grid. let the moral-bigots who want G rated only go there. Of course, I know they wont because teen grid is a total failure and nobody wants to go there. Now they want to destroy SL too and ruin it for everyone by letting a bunch of screaming snotpigs into the mainland and Aparteid-ing all adult or mature content to some sex&porn ghetto. This is only motivating us all to go to OpenSim grids where everything is both Free of cost and Free of Aparteid.

yes! as a matter of fact, I was thinking about that too. LOL.

One thing at a time. : )

Yes, but we're listening to your comments anyway, no matter how ridiculous they are. You don't want to see something DON'T GO THERE. DON'T LOOK. JUST LEAVE WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE OUT OF YOUR VISION. If people had the COMMON SENSE to follow that, this ENTIRE 'ADULT' issue would be moot.

I disagree. The right to self expression doesn't extend to harrassment of an ethnic group. It isn't the duty of the victims to run away. It's duty of the harassers to stop.

Indeed, you seen to have accused anyone with a particular sexual fantasy of being racist - which seems to be marginalisation, hateful and objectional behaviour on your part.



Nor does it extend to harrasing a group partial to a particular sexual fantasy, so could you please stop?

Matthew

Without wishing to explain the details, I have a strong interest in promoting Native American / American Indian history and culture. While I do not use SL as the medium, I feel it is worth stressing an important point. If anything, you are reinforcing negative attitudes with your anger and bitterness. Once again, the perception is of a broken and miserable people who do nothing but complain. Feeling ripped off? Feeling misrepresented? Okay, then go out there and use your creativity and spirit to do something positive. Show us the good. Show us something cool and exciting. Be an example such that the fakes and fools fall into your shadow. The great warriors of the past did not indulge in self-pity.

As Jimi Hendrix said, "I don't live today. Maybe tomorrow, I just can't say." Tomorrow has arrived with SL. It's time to quit complaining and start living.

/me seems to have missed the point. What's all this Native American stuff got to do with adult content?

Like buying land advertised as suitable for adult behaviour and language, and then being told that you'll have to move because the land isn't suitable for that after all?

Matthew

Strange, based on the publicised request from LL and all of the comments they have made, Everyone's opinion was asked for on this subject - you are only one resident, and a rude one at that.

I really wish you would stop your bigoted and selfish attitude and let this topic get back on track and not use it for your own personal witch hunt.

No doubt this one will drown along with the rest of our yet unanswered questions..

Nonetheless, I strongly feel that all SL residents need to unite on this one, somehow.

All our differences aside, I think this entire issue warrants a Leader (obviously apart from LL), whom we feel we can trust to voice our opinions efficiently.

We have our hearts in this (I can see that we are many in number). But we can't all sit around and stare at the screen all day long for the next 6 weeks or more. I feel we need representation..!!

Anyone out there with me on this?
Someone who has been around for long enough to cut through the BS?
Someone who speaks the corporate lingo?
Anyone out there prepared to help us through this mess effectively?

I agree with others - this is not a discussion about race, sexual orientation, creed, religion, etc.

Nany, FYI - I did post I am part Native and my husband IRL is registered Native from the L'Anse Reservation in Baraga, Michigan (Chippewa or Ojibwa) - I belong to the Cherokee Nation FYI. And, yes, I do know about my heritage as well as that of my husband. He just happens to be descended from Hiawatha. *returns to topic*

Well, seems some would have us segregate everyone into tiny little pockets based on some perceived notion that everyone will offend everyone else. This has come to the point of being totally ridiculous.

All of this nonsense is all about trying to bring the children from the teen grid into the main grid - and I repeat - NO - WORST CHOICE - and the removal of anything remotely very mature adult in nature is not what this is all about. It's about appeasing a certain segment of businessmen to try and pretend that SL is and always has been squeaky clean and always will be. Again, if people want sanitized virtual experiences, then pop on over to IMVU - there's a good place to begin with less than Disney sanitized 3d chats.

My main question to LL - if it ain't broke why do you want to fix it? Seems to me SL has been running quite nicely with all of the adult and very mature things on the main grid without changing anything. I find things uncomfortable; however, once I try out going to a place where it's uncomfortable, I finally realize that my comfort level was probably based on false information received from those who so abhor certain things.

Instead of everyone pointing fingers at each other and arguing about who caused what. maybe all of these new changes has something to do with bad press coverage that had someone in the WhiteHouse, or hoping to be in the White house a little angry about what was associated with his name. see the link below that is recient from Fox news.

http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/03/fox_news_discov.html

BRAVO! Yeah, what Matthew said

((thinks)) Why is this reminding me of that old county song... "How can I miss you if you won't go away" .. but I digress...