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Nika Talaj
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01-03-2010 09:53
From: Abbey Underall
However with the latest server "updates" the TV has been working less and less. Until now, in this latest "update", it is no longer working at all.
I have noticed that streaming sounds also is working even less well than it usually does.

Whenever I've inquired about streaming issues, I've been told that streaming media is done by the asset server cluster, so performance depends on gridwide asset load. This makes no sense to me, though ... shouldn't the actual streaming be done by real media servers? The asset servers would be involved to FIND the media, but I would think they would hand off to a bunch of media servers.

Perhaps I'll start a separate thread on this. Certainly scalable, standardized media servers are inexpensive products. I'm puzzled about where the bottleneck is.

And yes, I agree with you that content creation continues to get more and more difficult. I think LL may be thinking that, if they can just give us mesh imports, most issues around content creation will be miraculously solved.

ETA: Ah, I see you started a separate thread.
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Abbey Underall
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01-03-2010 13:48
From: Nika Talaj
ETA: Ah, I see you started a separate thread.
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Yeah but I'm not sure I posted it in the right place, judging by the mocking response I got.

Feel free to start a thread on it where it is more fitting.
Peggy Paperdoll
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Join date: 15 Apr 2006
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01-03-2010 14:41
From: Abbey Underall
Yeah but I'm not sure I posted it in the right place, judging by the mocking response I got.

Feel free to start a thread on it where it is more fitting.


It doesn't matter where you post it. Calling out LL in public like this will get you no where in a hurry. Emailing LL has been suggested........that might get a response if your tone is not accusatory or demeaning. A support ticket might get you some help........again with better tone to your remarks.

You might tone down all that stuff about you being a content creator too........there are many of us who create content. It does not impress me at all. And I doubt it impresses anyone at Linden Lab either. When you create your content it's up to you to keep up with the competition AND the changes in the environment that make your content "break" or fail in some way. LL is not going to stand still so you can simply keep cranking out your content without making the adjustments necessary to progress with the technology the platform is advancing to.
SuezanneC Baskerville
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01-03-2010 14:47
From: someone
"However with the latest server "updates" the TV has been working less and less. Until now, in this latest "update", it is no longer working at all."


In what way is it not working?

What steps did it take in the path from working to not working at all?
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Abbey Underall
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Join date: 10 Apr 2006
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01-03-2010 14:48
From: Peggy Paperdoll
It doesn't matter where you post it. Calling out LL in public like this will get you no where in a hurry. Emailing LL has been suggested........that might get a response if your tone is not accusatory or demeaning. A support ticket might get you some help........again with better tone to your remarks.

You might tone down all that stuff about you being a content creator too........there are many of us who create content. It does not impress me at all. And I doubt it impresses anyone at Linden Lab either. When you create your content it's up to you to keep up with the competition AND the changes in the environment that make your content "break" or fail in some way. LL is not going to stand still so you can simply keep cranking out your content without making the adjustments necessary to progress with the technology the platform is advancing to.


You are just a real cheerleader aren't you? Gooooooo LINDENS!

My remarks are exactly fitting the problem as I see it. I have no problem with calling out LL, when they mismanage the product I am depending on.
It's sure as hell better than whining about other people's posts, like you are.

And as you can see, other people have the same issue. Infact there is talk among content creators, that LL is deliberately putting a cap on scripts and bottlenecks on streaming.

But hey. Goooooo LINDENS!
Abbey Underall
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01-03-2010 14:50
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
In what way is it not working?

What steps did it take in the path from working to not working at all?


Well, it worked fine to begin with. Then as more and more updates came along it started lagging the stream, being unable to play some clips one minute and then play them the next. Or being unable to play them at all.

And now it's just not able to play anything whatsoever.
Innula Zenovka
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01-03-2010 15:08
And are you sure that the server updates, rather than something else between YouTube, the sim and your player, are to blame? It might be worth asking for advice over in the scripting tips forum, cos I'm playing youtube videos in world quite happily; it may just be that your script needs updating.
Abbey Underall
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01-03-2010 15:10
From: Innula Zenovka
And are you sure that the server updates, rather than something else between YouTube, the sim and your player, are to blame? It might be worth asking for advice over in the scripting tips forum, cos I'm playing youtube videos in world quite happily; it may just be that your script needs updating.


Thank you, I will try that.
Shockwave Yareach
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Must have been _some_ emergency
01-04-2010 06:31
I assume it was a very significant emergency for you all to jump the way you did. Thank you at least for preventing the griefers from launching their Tour d' Ruin. While I wonder why you only became aware of this fault and fixed it on New Years Eve, there is never a good time for bad stuff to happen. I give kudos where deserved, and the server team deserves some for working on New Years Eve when they could have been partying and saving SL overall. Thanks guys.

Now, if you fix the problems with Mono, I'll mail you all some top-drawer Rum that you cannot get over there. I'll even throw in some Coca-cola. Whaddayousay?
Shockwave Yareach
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Posts: 370
Streaming video and Audio
01-04-2010 06:42
Streaming in SL doesn't involve the Asset system or the Server at all. What happens is that the viewer is given a URL to the stream - that's all. The viewer has a built-in MP3 player and it goes off to the URL and begins to play the streaming data from there. You can just as easily put the URL in Winamp and play it that way (which is an excellent troubleshooting tip btw). Likewise, video doesn't stream through any server, but is handled at your computer by Quicktime. The viewer passes off the URL to the MOV stream to QT which then renders the video inside the SL window.

All the audio and video is streamed to your computer when your computer asks for it, directly from the streaming provider wherever it is on the internet. The data never comes within miles of LL servers. The most common problems with streaming data hesitating and halting are:
- bandwidth limits, trying to watch video over a 128Kbps DSL line or similar.
- limited ram, which causes QT and SLviewer to pageswap back and forth to the hard drive back and forth, back and forth.
- certain versions of Norton Antivirus
Maggie Darwin
Matrisync Engineering
Join date: 2 Nov 2007
Posts: 186
01-07-2010 12:04
From: Innula Zenovka
Since the server code is closed, so you can't check any explanations, what sort of disclosure would satisfy you?

What would satisfy me? Following standard industry practice.

Vulnerability disclosure is not an open-source phenominon. Many closed-source products--like Windows, for example-- have proper disclosures of the detailed nature of their vulnerabilities. So that's no excuse.

Review the sort of information published at the NIST National Vulnerabilities Database:

http://nvd.nist.gov/
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Armand Aquitaine
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01-07-2010 19:11
How about ... make this GAME... economically friendly. NO ONE should be RICH from an online transactions game. It kills the casual members like me. Just my thoughts from an old member. SL listen up... you are losing tons of members because they had rather pay their bills now. WAKE UP!!!
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