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Ricardo Harris
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02-17-2008 19:38
From: Lana Tomba
I tend to go with the motto "if it isnt directly affecting me then i dont ar BUT.

I have seen some very strange things in SL...avatars with pig tails and pacifiers..blood panties...in a sex sim....tawkin wike a baby in der pwofile. I immidiately message the SIM owner. The SIM owner stands to lose everything if some media establishment chooses to report that or spalsh pictures all over the net.

i dont know what to say about a persons right to skew the lines of reality and fantasy.If it looks walks and quacks like a duck it prolly is.. I tend to avoid child avatars in general . I see all that baby talk in profiles and just move on. Same goes with people talki ng about their mum and Dad and brothers and sisters.

Was a hand full of people with that mentality in SL back in 04..now its everywhere. Never could understand the mystique behind finding virtual parents. That many latch key kids in RL and SL baby sits them?

~Lana Tomba



Blood panties. Now, this made me laugh.
Ricardo Harris
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02-17-2008 19:42
Come on people. You can't save the world you know. Just because you believe someone is under age doesn't justify you reporting them because according to you, you care. It's not your problem, just make sure you're kids aren't doing it and everything will take care of itself.
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02-17-2008 19:46
From: Tiana Whitfield


If I am weak because I reported a person whom led me to believe she was just 11... then I am happy to be called weak. Because she just may of been.




With "May" being the key word here. May doesn't mean it is. Supposing it wasn't, now what? Now you've brought problems to this person simply because they "may' of been.
Lana Tomba
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02-17-2008 20:26
From: Ricardo Harris
Blood panties. Now, this made me laugh.


:rolleyes: I assure you it wasn't funny to look at. I've seen various things depicted in SL and this actually sent a panicd shock thru my spine.

The implication was dimented and I urged the SIM owner to ban the person. Unfortunately in SL..the Lindens have made it quite clear that no man is an island and a persons actions if ignored might as well be encouraged by whoever owns the property where the activities are occuring. soo..i left it in the hands of the SIM owner.

Even though the person wasn't "with" anyone..they were seated on a sex animation and nude. I almost swallowed my tongue. :(

I'd like to clarify that I do believe most child RPers are not like this particular av. There's obviously some type of innocence and trust and deep caring "friendship" relationships that are formed..(and maybe are more easliy formed using a child avatar to form them.)Quite innocent..quite sweet.

I would hope that if a child RPer had seen this avatar they would've done exactly the same thing as I did.

~Lana Tomba
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02-17-2008 20:49
From: Aduro Barbosa
Hi! This has been completely resolved, thanks to TEEPLE LINDEN. He is wonderful. The support ticket works pretty well, so thank you so much!!!!

Congrats. I am glad it worked out.
This happen to friend last year to based on a false report but all was resolved after 5 days.
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Jumpman Lane
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02-17-2008 21:11
From: Derbor Torok
I'll take all the cheese you can dish out jumpboy... if i were bored enough in sl to be running around looking for idiots I would have ran into you much sooner than this.

Last resposnse you get from me on this thread for that very reason..

/me waves..

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02-17-2008 21:13
From: Tiana Whitfield
An adult dressed avatar was standing not far from me calling everyone beautiful, when she called me it, I said thank you and told her to be fussy with her compliments. lol!
She asked how many "worlds" sl had, I did not get what she meant at first and asked her to expand on that, she said where do the kids hang out... I assumed at first she meant to roleplay as a child..this is when she said she was 11, I asked again how old she was in chat because yes I had every intention of copying it to pass on to LL.. she said 11 again and said her birth year. I said to her that kids of her age really should not be on SL..she then went on to talk about star signs.

What would you of done?

she was yankin ur chain! Snitch less! geeze...
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02-17-2008 21:15
From: Har Fairweather
Aww, Jump. Just don't tell anybody anymore that you're underage. Tell them that you're 18 -1/2 and BAA-AA-AA-AAD!

i aint tellin you nothin! you a snitch! :p
we need some cheese!
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02-17-2008 21:19
From: Sunni Jewell
I do make clothes or something. I would also AR somebody if they told me they were only 11, and if their conversational skills led me to believe that this could damn well be true. So, I'm a rat. Pass me some of that there cheese, Jumpy.

I dont got enough for all the rats around here! Your problem is that you talk to strangers in sl! Most of them are tards. if im mindin my business in the mfsl i get highly miffed when some ijit just starts yappin to me. "Make me beutiful!" I wanna be one of your sluts!" BLAH BLAH BLAH. I bought a dog and named him Tardeater just to sic on the silly humps! Didnt ya mama ever tell yanot to talk to strangers? Weird convo is the latest in sl griefin! MUTE THE TARDS! if you waste the time craftin AR"s for our lil Linden pals then you are a snitch! and will tell something!
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02-17-2008 21:24
From: Colette Meiji
Whether you would have reported it or not is one thing.

Being vulnerable to false reports are another. Why should someone who is payment info on file AND Age verified be subject to account suspensions on the simple "word" of a total stranger?

In the very least they should be given a day or two of *PENDING* suspension to provide the documents, so their service isn't interrupted.

And the Lindens dropping the ball after documentation is given should be a very serious thing. They already treated someone as guilty until proven innocent, to further disrespect a customer by not getting their service turned back on without follow up is really pathetic.

Yes I am a Mom too. And yes it is MY responsibility if my kids use the internet to access something they shouldn't. It is not the fault of some computer service.

It is the fault of the child breaking the rules and the responsibility of the Parent.



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As far as the kid avs being reported as underage for just being kid avs?

those ARs should probably just be thrown out without investigation.

If it says "so and so is a kid Av and they act underage, maybe the are?" or something to that effect ==========> automatic AR delete.

But if they ARE forced to provide documentation, then LL should flag their account somehow so in the very least they don't have to provide it again the next time.
JESUS HIGHTOP CHRIST HISSELF! ME agreein with Co-co Meiji! crap! i spent all day yesterday makin a golden turd award and namin it the colosto meiji award! well er...Co-Co is 100% absolutely RIGHT!
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02-17-2008 21:26
From: Bradley Bracken
I was the sneakiest, most underhanded kid on earth. I was manipulative and everyone thought I was the sweetest thing they'd ever seen. From a little kid through high school I got away with murder.

Do I trust my kid? Absolutely.....yet not for one second. :)
I used to beat up sneaky lil kids like you! And tattle tales too! I was a bully. I just wish i'd thought to tell the lil tards "You better run weak sauce!" that just kills me! :)
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02-17-2008 21:29
From: Ricardo Harris
Blood panties. Now, this made me laugh.


Knowing of a child who's panties where bloody after being raped by her grandfather and who then was slapped by her parents for telling lies, I don't find this funny one bit. I wouldn't ban it in SL but my personal opinion is that it's pretty damn depraved.

From: Ricardo Harris
With "May" being the key word here. May doesn't mean it is. Supposing it wasn't, now what? Now you've brought problems to this person simply because they "may' of been.


If someone is running around the grid telling people they are an 11 year old girl in RL, they are a complete idiot and can only look at themselves to blame for any problems that may result.
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02-17-2008 21:33
From: Ricardo Harris
Come on people. You can't save the world you know. Just because you believe someone is under age doesn't justify you reporting them because according to you, you care. It's not your problem, just make sure you're kids aren't doing it and everything will take care of itself.

people like that dont care about the kids. they just wanna feel a warm fuzzy for "doin good" in the end to REPORT some one for what they say in chat which they CANNOT VERIFY, and to take the time necessary to craft an AR good enough not to just be tossed is that Nazi Germany/ Commie Russia every corner filled with an informer mentality! Just can't WAIT to trot off and tell something to curry favor with the Lindens. BUT those same lindens are not much diff from your local cable company employees! What ya need to do is Ar the derth of cheese we got around here. These rats are squeakin!
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Colette Meiji
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02-17-2008 22:00
From: Ricardo Harris
Blood panties. Now, this made me laugh.


What part of simulating the injuries caused by child rape is funny?


I think perhaps you didn't understand what Lana was describing.
Daniel Regenbogen
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02-18-2008 00:02
I have to agree with Colette. The way underage ARs are handled right now makes them the ultimate griefer tool. Bad enough when it hits people who just are not age verified, who get suspended without warning and chance to verify their age BEFORE they are suspended. Getting your account back takes days to weeks - imagine you are holding land (on private estate, I'm sure LL would still charge a suspended account for mainland tiers) or have an inworld business to run. You could lose lots, your whole basis for your SL! It happened to friends of mine before, with smaller or bigger consequences. Just yesterday a befriended DJ couldn't do his show because he was AR'd for being underage - and on the weekend nobody at LL checks the fax machine with the sent proof that he isn't.

I verified my age as soon as it was possible exactly because of this danger. Now reading that this isn't enough to really protect me from this BS makes me really mad.
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02-18-2008 00:13
From: Daniel Regenbogen

I verified my age as soon as it was possible exactly because of this danger. Now reading that this isn't enough to really protect me from this BS makes me really mad.


Might be different if the vast majority of ARs were filed by responsible , thoughtful people.

But people who have spent any time around SL drama know that they are not.
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02-18-2008 01:51
From: Ricardo Harris
Come on people. You can't save the world you know. Just because you believe someone is under age doesn't justify you reporting them because according to you, you care. It's not your problem, just make sure you're kids aren't doing it and everything will take care of itself.


The grid is limited to 'adults' of age 18 and above, minors are supposed to be restricted to the teen grid. ARing those who state that they are underage IS justified.

From: Ricardo Harris
With "May" being the key word here. May doesn't mean it is. Supposing it wasn't, now what? Now you've brought problems to this person simply because they "may' of been.


That's absolutely wrong. THEY have brought it upon themselves by stating they're underage.
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02-18-2008 06:21
From: Saucey Barbecue
The grid is limited to 'adults' of age 18 and above, minors are supposed to be restricted to the teen grid. ARing those who state that they are underage IS justified.



That's absolutely wrong. THEY have brought it upon themselves by stating they're underage.


Absolutely agree. Thought experiment: Walk into a bar and (assuming you look young enough to pass) tell the bartender you "may" be under the drinking age. See what happens.
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02-18-2008 06:32
From: Daniel Regenbogen
I have to agree with Colette. The way underage ARs are handled right now makes them the ultimate griefer tool. Bad enough when it hits people who just are not age verified, who get suspended without warning and chance to verify their age BEFORE they are suspended. Getting your account back takes days to weeks - imagine you are holding land (on private estate, I'm sure LL would still charge a suspended account for mainland tiers) or have an inworld business to run. You could lose lots, your whole basis for your SL! It happened to friends of mine before, with smaller or bigger consequences. Just yesterday a befriended DJ couldn't do his show because he was AR'd for being underage - and on the weekend nobody at LL checks the fax machine with the sent proof that he isn't.

I verified my age as soon as it was possible exactly because of this danger. Now reading that this isn't enough to really protect me from this BS makes me really mad.


Now that is a serious problem. And I doubt that LL really wants to let itself be used as the ultimate griefer's tool - especially considering that for some griefers the real target is SL itself rather than their random victims. Also considering that people bring money and if you suspend or ban them they will likely stop bringing money.

Some sort of due process is needed. At the very least, a notice and reasonable period of time to supply age verification before being suspended - X number of business days, since no-one monitors the fax on weekends (and perhaps holidays). And a policy with teeth in it of warning-suspension-ban for people who are griefing by being false reporters.
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02-18-2008 10:07
From: Ricardo Harris
With "May" being the key word here. May doesn't mean it is. Supposing it wasn't, now what? Now you've brought problems to this person simply because they "may' of been.


Well, if they weren't they should be AR'd for being so stupid as to say they are. She didn't say it was a child avie, she said it was an avatar who claimed to be 11 in RL and who came across as being 11.

Yes, we do-gooders can't change the world, but maybe a little part of it. I'm sorry, but when my daughter is out of my sight, I certainly hope that if one of my neighbors observes her acting in an inappropriate manner or in some kind of trouble, that they let me know as soon as possible. In that case, I'm in the position of LL, and it's my job to then do something about it. I didn't say I would immediately take another person's word over that of my child, but I would certainly investigate and figure out what's going on.

Edited to add: I'm not really sorry.
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02-18-2008 10:08
From: Jumpman Lane
I dont got enough for all the rats around here! Your problem is that you talk to strangers in sl! Most of them are tards. if im mindin my business in the mfsl i get highly miffed when some ijit just starts yappin to me. "Make me beutiful!" I wanna be one of your sluts!" BLAH BLAH BLAH. I bought a dog and named him Tardeater just to sic on the silly humps! Didnt ya mama ever tell yanot to talk to strangers? Weird convo is the latest in sl griefin! MUTE THE TARDS! if you waste the time craftin AR"s for our lil Linden pals then you are a snitch! and will tell something!


Wasn't everyone you know a stranger before you first talked to them?

This attitude is just stellar, Jumpy.
<sarcasm off>
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02-18-2008 10:25
The most important thing about this thread, something that everyone must understand....


Is that I like pie.
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02-18-2008 13:23
From: Sunni Jewell
Wasn't everyone you know a stranger before you first talked to them?

This attitude is just stellar, Jumpy.
<sarcasm off>

most of the people who remain my friends were introduced to me, or we had some reason for speakin in the first place. lots of people just im me out of the blue. and they all universally end up being wackos.
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02-18-2008 13:36
From: Daniel Regenbogen
I have to agree with Colette. The way underage ARs are handled right now makes them the ultimate griefer tool. Bad enough when it hits people who just are not age verified, who get suspended without warning and chance to verify their age BEFORE they are suspended. Getting your account back takes days to weeks - imagine you are holding land (on private estate, I'm sure LL would still charge a suspended account for mainland tiers) or have an inworld business to run. You could lose lots, your whole basis for your SL! It happened to friends of mine before, with smaller or bigger consequences. Just yesterday a befriended DJ couldn't do his show because he was AR'd for being underage - and on the weekend nobody at LL checks the fax machine with the sent proof that he isn't.

I verified my age as soon as it was possible exactly because of this danger. Now reading that this isn't enough to really protect me from this BS makes me really mad.
we need to talk to some lindens about this. they are all just afraid of being shut down in some kiddie porn ring. (whichis understandable. nobody wants to go to jail with THAT kind of charge) but it really makes for LOUSY customer support. all LL cares about is the flight of big compamies (which are just noobs wth bankrolls). They need to be more concerned with the avg user totally addicted to thier lil metaverse. THAT is their customer base. AND PUNISH the snitches. the false reporters. the FRIVOLUOS ARERS. False and unsubstantiated abuse reports constitute a form of harrasment!
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02-18-2008 13:41
From: Saucey Barbecue
The grid is limited to 'adults' of age 18 and above, minors are supposed to be restricted to the teen grid. ARing those who state that they are underage IS justified.



That's absolutely wrong. THEY have brought it upon themselves by stating they're underage.

Anybody can SAY anything! You are just a rat-fink snitch to go aring something that YOU can not even verify as being true. as being in violation of the tos. simple as that. no one should have to fear being punished for SPEECH. This IS NOT like screaming fire in a croweded theater. Go play thought police on THERE or WOW. Or indulge your lil jack-booted fantasies playin tiddlywinks.
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