Unfair Ban

So she was required to provide actual proof of age and did so?

and was lying to you and others?


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If I've misread your post, sorry but that seems to be what you are saying.

No matter what anyone says in chat if they have provided the documentation SL requires what else can LL do? Ban people for what they say?

No, I am saying that I assumed when looking in search 3 weeks after the AR that she must of been telling fibs in open chat saying she was 11..and had proved to LL otherwise.

I wont know what action was taken regarding the AR as LL do not disclose that. I can only assume thats what happened.

Who is saying that LL should ban people based on what they say?
I came across an adult dressed avatar claiming to be 11, damn right I AR'd..(its the mum in me! ) I have never once stated she should of be banned based on what she said, only that I provided all the info I had to LL including what she said.

A good action, IMO. It's not folks like you who make a problem, it's folks who file saying, "That gray-haired av in the sex club last night looked way too young to be there. I say she's sixteen!" and AR.

we need some more cheese for all these rats! I told the tard that put me on ban link (via an alt) while tellin his sl wife how sexy she was that ol jump lane was really a 16 year old in tuscaloosa on his way to alburquerque. the fool asked if he could paste and repost the chat. I told him HELL naw. divlugin rl info is against the tos! chicken sh@t a cinderblock then agreed. I never heard of a chicken rat! wonder wtf that would look like. EPIC LULZ!

you ared somebody for something they SAID to you in chat . lol
too tardy. why expect the gospel truth from random strangers! they were pushin ur buttons. you CHOSE that snitchin lifestyle. we need some more cheese!

I would report in specific circumstances and it wouldn't necessarily have anything to do with being a do-gooder. It's what's called covering my ass. I had one incident where I did suspect someone of being underage. It was awhile ago, so don't remember specifics, but I got very uncomfortable. I made no issue of it. Didn't report anything. I just quietly faded away from the situation.

On the other hand. If I got involved lets say in a relationship or anything of that matter and later found out the person was underage you bet your sweet ass I'd turn them in. It wouldn't be out of spite either. The way the laws are in the US these days and the witch hunts go on, I'd want it on record that it was a mistake and that I was the one that stepped forward to point it out.

Why should I expect she was lying? She was quite calmly and openly stating she was 11..when questioned on it, she was quite happy to say she was 11 even giving her birth year and saying what star sign she was and asking if I believed in them?!?..
What if she was 11? Who am I to judge that she was lying? I tend to take people at face value in SL and I do not judge..she presented me with information I was uncomfortable with.

I am not a "snitch" or a "tardy" but I would AR for the same reasons again if that same situation repeated itself. I am a parent and yes I was concerned for her.

LOL Thank you..

I hope I look 16 when I am gray haired one day...and erm in a sex club!

I think you did exactly the right thing. Reporting someone on suspicion is just silly, but why would you question what you were told.

As the parent of an 11 year old daughter I would hope someone else would do the same if she were wondering around SL (God forbid. LOL).

You did the right thing Tiana, I would always AR anyone who told me he/she was underage in rl. Let SL sort it out. I don't see it as do-gooders doing their thing but as residents doing what is responsible.

As far as tardy... well, that is the pot calling the kettle and all of that... at least you can write and spell coherently.

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I tend to go with the motto "if it isnt directly affecting me then i dont ar BUT.

I have seen some very strange things in SL...avatars with pig tails and pacifiers..blood panties...in a sex sim....tawkin wike a baby in der pwofile. I immidiately message the SIM owner. The SIM owner stands to lose everything if some media establishment chooses to report that or spalsh pictures all over the net.

i dont know what to say about a persons right to skew the lines of reality and fantasy.If it looks walks and quacks like a duck it prolly is.. I tend to avoid child avatars in general . I see all that baby talk in profiles and just move on. Same goes with people talki ng about their mum and Dad and brothers and sisters.

Was a hand full of people with that mentality in SL back in 04..now its everywhere. Never could understand the mystique behind finding virtual parents. That many latch key kids in RL and SL baby sits them?

~Lana Tomba

Thats how I feel Bradley and for that I am not sorry.
Thank you

LOL thank you..if I turned my back and she was telling the truth, what sort of person would I be?

Wow cant believe how guilty I am being made to feel over this...lol

Which is silly. If someone tells you they are 11, in a serious way, of course you tell LL they said they were 11, and you let LL sort it out.

On another note, I hope that Jumpman Lane will be 18 by the time he hits Albuquerque. New Mexico has a post-hippie-New-Age scene of its own going these days. O.O

I'm sorry but if there is a parent out there with an 11 year old who doesn't know that their 11 year old child is wandering SL...then they need to get more involved...and maybe they need to have the local SS visit their household.

New Technology has forced parents to up their game and I understand that, but if you can't keep up..drop out of the race..Our children are way too important to rely on strangers in a virtual world to AR them for breaking the rules or sneaking in.

I come here to do my own thing..not baby sit strangers children.

~Lana Tomba

QFT.

The tragedy of it is, there are latchkey kids, and there are criminally negligent parents. No, we aren't babysitters, but we see a kid wandering around alone in a place that can be bad for them, we do something about it or we are as bad as the negligent parents. I for one would not want that on my conscience.

Which is not to say I would look for excuses to AR. Just saying I bet there are cases where a tattooed biker with a bottle of Jack Daniels in one hand and a switchblade gripped in his teeth would AR. Right is right.

but MOST people in sl are so full of crap. it some ijit actually walked up to me startin a conversation of ANY kind i usually talk crap to em till the wander off or freeze em and eject them on my lan. i def do not question them much. they are just so likely to talk crazy like ur example.

i really hope you are monitoring your kid. i really hope you are takin care of her and not lettin her sit there and starve to death while you build ur latest prim palace or design some new suit of textured cloth!

it's impossible to believe that THAT many underage kids are wandering around sl, and find it ENTIRELY possible to believe you'd ar a Linden Tree to a Linden for being planted in the ground! We need some more cheese!

say that two times lana. people like that dont care about the kids anyway. they AR EVERYTHING! they squeak and like cheese they must be WHAT!

We need some more cheese for all thse rats! It's not about being a do gooder. but all about being a dime dropper, rat-fink snitch! If you are so bored that you'sd ar some idiot for SAYING thery are underage, then you should learn to make clothes or something, or build and make something. Cause tarding around in SL singin like a canary is weak! It's a snitch life...and i aint gon' tell!

LOL. I knew someone was going to come back with that response.

Having spent years in the child care industry and having seen some scary things, my ex wife is fanatical about the whereabouts and what is going on with our daughter. We can tell you every website she goes to. The reality, though, is not all kids are in that same environment. Also, I'm not embarrased to admit we don't see our daughter 24 hours a day. Oh the horror!!! She sometimes goes to a friends house from time to time.

I never said I expected anyone to be on a vigilant post looking for my kid or any other kid who happens to stray into SL. I can't imagine anyone not taking a minute or two filling out an AR in an obvious scenario that Tiana described. That's an extremely rare scenario. If someone thinks thats too much time or that it's not their business then they are a pretty sad individual.

well think about it Bradley...places selling child avatars..I would guess that 5%(if that even) of child avatars are actually children.

Children dont have the sense to come in here and look like children..they're the ones that look like Barbie and GI Joe running around griefing people.

Most kids (teens) i would imagine who come into our grid do everything in their power NOT to look like a child..so..it seems an excercise in futility to AR someone RPn a child avatar.

The process involved in making Ruth into a child is pretty involved..it's not that easy(for a noob) What's the probability that a real life 11 year old would go to the trouble of making their avatar look 11?(maybe i missed the part that this person didn't look 11 they were just saying they were 11)

I've often seen people make their avatar into a "little person" and I was hard pressed to tell the difference between that and a child avatar..(of course this was back in the day before DD made child avatars).

I'm not suggesting that if I saw a child running around in traffic I wouldn't run out into the road to scoop them up. At the same time SL is such the format that RP is probably the most likely scenario when meeting someone like this.

I'm just wondering how many false reports SL receives on stuff like this and how much in the long run (if any) it impedes our personal liberties(maybe I'm playing devils advocate )

~Lana Tomba

I'll take all the cheese you can dish out jumpboy... if i were bored enough in sl to be running around looking for idiots I would have ran into you much sooner than this.

Last resposnse you get from me on this thread for that very reason..

/me waves..

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Far below 1% I think. I don't think this is a big problem in any way that we are discussing.



Agreed



And that's where I see the big difference here. I think AR'ing based on suspicion is absurd. I think AR'ing based on appearance is insane. I can't imagine an 11 year old actually telling Tiana the things she did. I think it's more likely someone playing around. However, since they were so explicit, I think Tiana would have been very negligent not to report it. That's where I see where the line is drawn.