Unfair Ban

So Basically this person wasn't AR'd for the probablity that they were indeed 11..but they were outstandingly stupid and jerking Tianas chain?

~Lana Tomba

No, I'd still say they were probably jerking her chain but it was explicit enough that the person was AR'd based on the greater chance than most circumstances that it might be legit.

I really don't understand the child RP thing..I try not to pass judgement on people who participate in that sortve thing (however innocent it might be).

Seems that anyone doing that though would be smart and self aware enough to know about SLs recent problems with the german media and the reports of pedophelia abounding.

They should really try keeping their antics to private sims I would think...if for nothing else to avoid trouble...or should they?..Is it their responsibilty to restrict themselves because of a few bad apples?

~Lana Tomba

An adult dressed avatar was standing not far from me calling everyone beautiful, when she called me it, I said thank you and told her to be fussy with her compliments. lol!
She asked how many "worlds" sl had, I did not get what she meant at first and asked her to expand on that, she said where do the kids hang out... I assumed at first she meant to roleplay as a child..this is when she said she was 11, I asked again how old she was in chat because yes I had every intention of copying it to pass on to LL.. she said 11 again and said her birth year. I said to her that kids of her age really should not be on SL..she then went on to talk about star signs.

What would you of done?

The excact same thing you did. I'm a mom, too.

Hmmm..I guess...i'm a different temperment...like i said...i've reported child avatars that certainly had no buisness being in free sex sims..to the sim owner.

I probably wouldn't have even bothered to have the forethought to think of IMn this person inorder to AR them.

I tend to initially think "this person is involved in whatever their twisted rp is" and tune them out totally. Maybe I'm apathetic. I've seen some stuff .

I guess it's the way you view things really. The whole star sign thing would've made me think,"hey this is some hippy chic in her 40s who is reliving her childhood..burnt out on shrooms ".

I don't know..I'm trying to answer honestly .

~Lana Tomba

Aww, Jump. Just don't tell anybody anymore that you're underage. Tell them that you're 18 -1/2 and BAA-AA-AA-AAD!

I do make clothes or something. I would also AR somebody if they told me they were only 11, and if their conversational skills led me to believe that this could damn well be true. So, I'm a rat. Pass me some of that there cheese, Jumpy.

I like the questions you are throwing into the ring, it makes people think and question and thats a good thing Seriously in my nearly a year on sl I could count the AR's I have put in on one hand..I can assure you though I felt uncomfortable, something did not sit right, I was genuinely concerned for her and my AR was based on that. I assume now she was fibbing as she was still showing in search after, but she may not of been and what she was saying and the manner in which she said it did raise my concern levels..I cant say sorry for AR'ing her, because I know if the same situation arose again, I would do the same.

lol as a mum we know how sneaky kids can be..even with the most beady eyes on them..if they are intent on doing something most will find a way...and I swear I genuinely thought she was 11 at the time.

I am fortunate enough to have quite a nice little store and I happen to build quite a lot for it....I did not go looking for this situation, I don't prowl for people to AR because I am bored!

If I am weak because I reported a person whom led me to believe she was just 11... then I am happy to be called weak. Because she just may of been.

Exactly! Believe me, you don't have to explain yourself, or shouldn't feel like you do. I've yet to AR someone. I'm usually a "to-each-his-own" kind of person. However, when it comes to kids, my feelings are a little different.

Whether you would have reported it or not is one thing.

Being vulnerable to false reports are another. Why should someone who is payment info on file AND Age verified be subject to account suspensions on the simple "word" of a total stranger?

In the very least they should be given a day or two of *PENDING* suspension to provide the documents, so their service isn't interrupted.

And the Lindens dropping the ball after documentation is given should be a very serious thing. They already treated someone as guilty until proven innocent, to further disrespect a customer by not getting their service turned back on without follow up is really pathetic.

Yes I am a Mom too. And yes it is MY responsibility if my kids use the internet to access something they shouldn't. It is not the fault of some computer service.

It is the fault of the child breaking the rules and the responsibility of the Parent.



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As far as the kid avs being reported as underage for just being kid avs?

those ARs should probably just be thrown out without investigation.

If it says "so and so is a kid Av and they act underage, maybe the are?" or something to that effect ==========> automatic AR delete.

But if they ARE forced to provide documentation, then LL should flag their account somehow so in the very least they don't have to provide it again the next time.

I was the sneakiest, most underhanded kid on earth. I was manipulative and everyone thought I was the sweetest thing they'd ever seen. From a little kid through high school I got away with murder.

Do I trust my kid? Absolutely.....yet not for one second.

I agree with this, in that LL should investigate and not just ban based on what another resident says.

However, I still think that if someone admits in open chat that they are underage, they should be AR'd. From there it's in LL's hands to handle how they see fit. And "how they see fit" should involve some type of investigation. If the person AR'd is found to be over 18, they should be warned not to be so stupid as to say they are underage in RL.

Which is NOT the same as a child avatar by any stretch of the imagination. I couldn't imagine that any underager would come on SL and be a child AV. They would want to be an "adult".

QFT!

LOL you have just described nearly every child that is old enough to turn on a computer and maybe more....
We all like to think we are the perfect parents, Our kids have other ideas....

You'll find the majority of us are all too aware of all the "recent" (that was in Spring of 2007) issues with the German media and all dat, and a lot of us to tend to stick to our own safe places. Things do sometimes crop up -- like when an old LM now takes me to someplace I'd rally rather not be, or when I'm out exploring (see recent thread on a sailing adventure of mien) and find myself passing places of a less-than-polite nature. Granted, not not exactly going to hang around once I rez and see what's there, but in a world like this one, one can end up in places they really should not be and where they, frankly, don't wish to be.

The question of who should restrict whom is a challenging one, too. I know a lot of child avatars, like I said above, do their best to avoid courting trouble. At the same time, I wish there was more of a general understanding that those of us who are kids out here are not generally doing it to get away with something horrible, and we should not be limited beyond some reasonable level. You won't find me knowingly showing up in your sex club, but I reserve the right to walk by it if the shop across the street has a good price on jump ropes.

Of course, as already noticed, child RPing is, by and large, a very separate animal from undeage *players* being on the grid.

If you have any questions about child RPing, please feel free to ask 'em of me, either PM, or inworld, or whatever

Mari

I agree Marianne that is your right. I'm concerned though that idiots like the one that Tiana crossed somehow threaten your rights(threaten everyones)..or does this persons actions mitigate that LL sets some standards regarding ARn what people "say"..or are the rules only applicable to a persons actions.

~Lana Tomba

I assure you Mari if she was just innocently asking where to..how to roleplay as a child I would of helped out as best I could...it was not that sort of situation

If I walked into a cop shop tomorrow and said I held up a bank last week.. they would have to investigate and check me out..sadly this person seemed a lot more innocent than that and was chatting away excitedly admitting all over the place she was 11.. what is the protocol? what action should I of waited for?

It definitely didn't sound like thats what it was. It sounded like either someone who was Already RPing a child *player* it has been known to happen.

Or an actual kid who was oblivious to the consequences of her actions.

Since LL's basically understood policy is supsend until proof is given based on 1 AR, guess it was most likely the first one.

Or else the 11 stole the proper documentation.

I guess we have to hope whether we always agree with LL's policies they should enforce them consistently.

It isn't unreasonable for you to have reported someone who claimed to be 11.

Seems like a pretty good approach to me.

My worry is someone will lie and say X avatar claimed they are 11 when they didn't.

I doubt it to. I cant say I've felt confident enough in age verification to what to use it, either.



With SL, the "walks like a duck" adage doesn't fare too well. Anyone in SL who is *actually* walking like duck is still likely a human behind the monitor.

My offer still stands. Better to light a candle, and all that.



Totally understood, Tiana. I've been in similar situations as you (and yes, with people playing adult avatars, but IRL being <1 and have acted similarly.

Mari

I have AR'd residents who told me they were under 18. Even spoke to them about it, and explained about the teen grid, they wanted to go there, but did not know how.
I explained how I would be sending in an abuse report, then I went a step further (a few times) and contacted a linden and told them, and they took it from there and assisted the person that was under 18.