Anatomy of a Fail

Phil,

Since the bots will be going away, I'm not bothering with them, however, if that was not the case I'd have about a dozen over my store. Would I want to? Of course not. Would I have to to make a decent living? You bet your ass!

It's not that difficult to understand.

As usual, Phil, you've impressed me how you've been handling this, but as usual, I know it's never going to go anywhere. Maybe you need a cup of tea and relax a bit.

I missed your debates while I was gone and enjoy seeing them flair up again.

Keep the faith, Brother

I'd rather bet on your ass.

And you'd be making one damn fine bet, Little Lady.

So, let's see...

According to Phil's posts:
He wanted LL to get rid of traffic bots.
The reason he wanted that was that he preferred not to run an extra PC 24/7
He considered the running of traffic bots to be a completely legitmate operation.
He had nothing against traffic bots per se.
His own traffic bots accounted for 25% of his sales.
This was a good reason for him to run traffic bots.


Why did her prefer not to run the PC for the bots?
He was going to kiss goodbye to about 25% of his sales if he stopped running bots.


True, there could be a number of reasons apart for the cost and administration.
e.g.
- The extra PC was overheating his room
- He changed the wallpaper and the colour of the PC did not match
- He would be faced with replacing the PC at some time and was unable find one that matched the existing wallpaper
- He was concerned about emissions from the extra PC
- A large hedgehog named Spikey Norman lived in the PC and would peep out at odd intervals, frightening Phil
- other


The outcome of whatever issues he had with running the extra PC was that he wanted traffic bots abolished.
He wanted to ensure that other people running what he considered to be a legitimate business process to be prevented from doing so.

So Phil..

What was your issue with running an extra PC 24/7?
What was so serious for you that I drove you to pressure LL to prevent others form using what you considered to be a legitimate business tool?
You preferred not to run the bots.
Why did you feel justified in trying to prevent others from running bots?

lol. Thank you Bradley. It's appreciated.

To be honest, I do enjoy a good debate, which requires people to hold different views, but sometimes they go a bit sour - or boring. This one got boring for me during Talarus' financial meanderings, so I came out of that part. Since then, it's been unpleasant because I don't like having to keep on calling Sling out for the lies, but he keeps on lying. He keeps on making false statements and refuses to back them up. It's particulary unpleasant this time because, unlike many other times, the lies in this thread are blatantly obvious to everyone. It's come to the point where I actually wish he *would* bail out this time

Btw, I saw that you have done incredibly well in the All search rankings - very well done!

That's puer Phil!
I love it when you talk rubbish.

Thank you, It's mostly because of the guidance you gave awhile back.

Yeah, but the difference is in approach.

There's no need to call it "lies", let it disprove itself via logic.

If you never made those statements, meaning that Sling can't produce them, then it is obviously fallacious on its face (heh, as it "falls on its face", without you having to utter the word "lie" one time.

*AR's herself in advance of her thoughts.

AR'd for gambling.

You're not smart, Sling. But I'll answer your questions.

I didn't have an "issue" with running the extra computer but I would have preferred not to for several reasons. One is that I *do* like to pull out electricity plugs when I'm out or alseep and I'm definitely not keen on leaving a computer on all night for safety reasons. Another is that, whilst running the bots is not usually a pain, it does require that I log them in after each sim restart, or when they were logged out for some other reason. Until not very long ago, that took time because, unlike some peoples' assumptions of automated bots, I used to log them in one by one by typing their names and passwords. Yet another reason is because I prefer that the search results to be listed in a better than traffic can ever produce. Traffic cannot produce good results even if bots and camping are banned. All in all, I would have preferred it if none of that existed.

As I already said, I didn't push for "others" to be made to stop using the bots - I pushed for all of us to be made to stop using them.

Now I'll ask you a question. You've seen it before and, as long as you're continuing in this thread, I still want an answer from you. After all, it's from this that you concocted your lies about me, so I want you to explain it. This is the 4th time that I've asked you:-

Which part of "I am against bots because I prefer not not to run an extra computer for bots" means that I am against bots because I can't compete against the bots of a PI or against the bots of a full mainland sim? Come on Sling - I want to know. Which part of it means that? Don't bail out - answer the question please.

What? What's wrong with what I said? Explain please.

All = You + others.

To quibble over "all" v. "others" is very silly.
You wanted to stop. You wanted others to be stopped - because you wanted to stop.

It's a very silly semantic dance. It adds nothing to the picture.

I do think there is need to call it lies when it's Sling because that is Sling's intent. It wasn't a genuine mistake. It was intentional lying to show me in a derogatory light.

If Sling had simply misundertood what I meant by "extra computer" that would have been fine, but the lies came with all the stuff about me not being able to afford this and that and so I wanted bots banned so that I didn't have to afford it. That's what the lying was about. Yes, it fell on its face because Sling can't produce any quotes, but he still continues with the same lie after lie, so I think it's fair enough for me to call it what it is.

Alright. But it wasn't rubbish. It was correcting you.

Then you've completely missed the point of the exercise.

Oh well.

The excercise would normally have been fine but this is Sling, and Sling's stated mission is to "prick" botrunners at every opportunity. Earlier in the thread, someone asked if we're still going on about bots now that they are banned. Sling's reply was no, this is about the minds behind the traffic bots - or words to that effect. Sling isn't satisfied that the bots are banned and that mine are gone - he still feels the need to attack the people who ran traffic bots.

Strange.
Up to now, your preference not to run a computer was "the *only* reason there has *ever* been why I wanted to see the end of traffic bots".
Now you're adding a second reason.
Perhaps in a while, as in the Monthy Python Spanish Inquisition sketch, you'll add a third reason. Then as in the sketch, you'll change to "Among my reasons were...."







It's really very simple.

You preferred not to run a computer 24/7 for the bots.
Fine. No prob. You just stop running the bots 24/7. Easy.
Your choice.

However, you state that this was the reason you wanted to see the end of traffic bots.
What is the connection??
You want to stop running them. OK. Stop. Why does everybody else have to stop running them?


There's a question for you.
What is the connection between you stopping your bots, and everyone else being forced to stop theirs?

I'll be fascinated to read your answer.




Note: A concern about everybody else not pulling out their electricity plugs while they sleep and/or having to log their bots in will not be entertained as a sincere answer.

The exercise was especially applicable to Sling.

Watch.

Sling, do you have the quotes, or is this simply extrapolation on your part?

Are you crazy? There is no other reason added. Read my words! I prefer not to run an extra computer for the bots. That's the *only* reason. Why I prefer it is something else again.


So that I can stop running them, because I prefer not run them. As long as it's allowed, and people are running them, I choose to compete with them. It's perfectly simple.

I give in. What *is* the connection between me stopping my bots and everyone else being forced to stop theirs?


And for the 5th time of asking...

Which part of "I am against bots because I prefer not not to run an extra computer for bots" means that I am against bots because I can't compete against the bots of a PI or against the bots of a full mainland sim? Come on Sling - I want to know. Which part of it means that? Don't bail out - answer the question please.

Just one small point here before Sling drops himself in it again. This is the first of Sling's lies:-

It was post #143. There's a lot of other crap in that post but that's the part that stated why I am/was against traffic bots. I didn't write the actual reason until many pages after that was posted, so it can hardly be an extrapolation. In that post, he said that I was too cheap to pay for a PI, or words to that effect. Later he changed it me not being able to afford it, and the "unable to afford it" idea became a recurring theme from him as the reason why I was against traffic bots.

Nope. No extrapolation, I'm afraid. Just pure barefaced lies. If you imagine that it's anything but lies, then you are too gullible - and I don't think you are that gullible. You can have the best will in the world, but the fact of Sling's lies in this thread is undenyable.

OK. I've read your words. Is there a problem?




Yes it's perfectly simple.
If you don't run bots, you can't compete in Places search with the people who do.
25% of your sales - poof!



You don't know?
Think about it. You must know, because you repeatedly stated that the only reason that ever was for you to press for traffic to be abolished was that you preferred not to run your own bots.






We're getting there. Step by step. There are a number of steps in it.
We're getting there very slowly as you prefer to play semantic games and bang on about "LIES!!", rather than address the core issues.


So...What *is* the connection between you stopping your bots and everyone else being forced to stop theirs?

You were close to admitting the connection in your "As long as it's allowed, and people are running them, I choose to compete with them." It's hovering there.
However, for the answer to this question that you want to answered to emerge, you need to be specific about the connection.

Come on Sling give it a rest already!


This thread was quiet for about 8 hours....i was hoping it was going to die a natural death

With your latest message, which i didn't even bother reading.....we're going to get another day of this thread appearing near the top of the listings.......and peeps going around in circles.....word picking, phrase picking, sentence picking.......gets extremely boring after a while.

As far as I'm aware there are no "Grammy" awards for the person that posts the very last message on any given thread.

Sling is not going to give it a rest because Phil is not going to give it a rest because Sling is not going to give it a rest ... .. .

It's a vicious cycle that no one is going to break until it "breaks".



That's never stopped anyone from posting; just look at the undying thread for that.

At any rate, why bother reading it anymore, if it has gotten to "that point" for you?