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Suki Hirano
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10-17-2009 19:10
Ugh is it just me or is this client much more unstable? It's freezing like once per 20 minutes or something, and I have to end-program it. >.>
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Kara Spengler
Pink Cat
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10-17-2009 19:32
Thanks for the information on the boob physics lol. But I was more focused on the ability to wear infinite layers at once (aside from attachment point I think the extremely limited clothing layers is the most major flaw in SL). And what does "disable avatar mesh" do? I can't find that one either. I ran into the same discussion yesterday. When it comes to fave emerald features women usually ooh and ah over more clothing layers and attachment points. Meanwhile the guys are 'what do you MEAN you are not absolutely fascinated with bouncing breasts' and can not understand that it is not the #1 priority for everyone else. ![]() _____________________
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Kidd Krasner
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10-17-2009 20:01
I ran into the same discussion yesterday. When it comes to fave emerald features women usually ooh and ah over more clothing layers and attachment points. Meanwhile the guys are 'what do you MEAN you are not absolutely fascinated with bouncing breasts' and can not understand that it is not the #1 priority for everyone else. ![]() If those are the two most important features, I guess I have no reason to use it. Is there a viewer that will remove the shirts from all the men? And put frumpy dresses on the women? |
Smith Peel
Smif v2.0
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10-17-2009 20:11
Breast z influence: 100 (why does it keep going back to 1?) I guess cuz it doesn't work. It says something on the website about that line being removed. I would be interested in hearing from women seeking a more moderate appearance what strategies might they employ to maintain a bust line without becoming a burlesque show. I kinda wondered that myself. I've been waiting for Scylla to bring it up as a women's lib kinda issue (freedom to not jiggle, as it were ![]() _____________________
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Nika Talaj
now you see her ...
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10-17-2009 20:24
I thought that the extra attachment points actually DO work correctly, but only when viewed through Emerald.. it's the other viewers that see them as floating in random spots. All your client needs is the changed avatar_lad.xml that we made. Any client that uses this sees and can use the new attachment points. This file can simply be -copied- into other client's 'character' folders. No source or anything needed, at all. ![]() |
Dana Hickman
Leather & Lace™
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10-17-2009 20:48
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my observation is that the jiggle is based on changes in an avatars position. It appears that when standing still and running an animation (such as a dance) there is no jiggle. The physics of that, I'm almost positive, are governed by the x,y, & z velocity (mostly z) of the AV mesh in a certain direction. It works for both agent movement (walking, flying, vehicles) and stationary animations like AO stands or dances.. or any other.. *ahem*.. animation ![]() *light bulb comes on* Jeez I wonder if it has anything to do with what version (optimized or regular) you use ![]() I kinda wondered that myself. I've been waiting for Scylla to bring it up as a women's lib kinda issue (freedom to not jiggle, as it were ![]() Lmao - not sure it deserves *that* kind of seriousness. I mean, you guys wouldn't have any problems at all if another new feature was added that would let us.. Oh saaay... make Lil Johnny stand at attention, reguardless of what you're wearing, right? Just think of all the lovely screenshot blackmail fun that could be had lols. _____________________
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Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
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10-17-2009 20:48
I kinda wondered that myself. I've been waiting for Scylla to bring it up as a women's lib kinda issue (freedom to not jiggle, as it were ![]() I HAVE brought it up! In a kind of muted, jokey sort of way, admittedly. Boobs jiggle, in RL, unless you bind them, or are wearing an iron corset. I don't mind jiggling boobs, so long as they aren't caricatures. What I do, sort of, mind is that I have no control over how much they jiggle, or who sees them jiggle: that's all part of the voyeur's viewer set up. It's not a really big deal for me, but I do find it kind of creepy and annoying that someone can get off on my bouncing girls without any input from me. That is all . . . ![]() _____________________
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Dana Hickman
Leather & Lace™
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10-17-2009 20:50
![]() Sweet! Thanks Nika! Good to know it's not so hard coded that it's out of reach for users of other viewers. _____________________
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Scylla Rhiadra
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10-17-2009 20:53
I mean, you guys wouldn't have any problems at all if another new feature was added that would let us.. Oh saaay... make Lil Johnny stand at attention, reguardless of what you're wearing, right? LOL. Wouldn't they? I wonder. Maybe not in SL. But "The Lurch" . . . that sort of bent-over look that men who are sporting an unanticipated woody use to "hide" it . . . is, um, a not uncommon and pretty recognizable phenomenon. Sometimes combined with the "casual-hands-in-pocket-to-stretch-out-the-front-of-the-pants" approach . . . Yeah, we never notice. You're safe. ![]() _____________________
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Alvaro Zapatero
O.o
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10-17-2009 22:24
I'm reporting in after spending a couple of hours tonight dancing with my partner...
They jiggle, they bounce, they sway... but no more than they would in real life if you threw your body around like that. It actually becomes quite natural and *yawn* normal in a relatively short period of time. It would seem the mere novelty of this is causing us to make mountains out of molehills. I predict this will become a non-issue... right... about... now. Okay then. As you were. _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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10-17-2009 22:32
I HAVE brought it up! In a kind of muted, jokey sort of way, admittedly. Boobs jiggle, in RL, unless you bind them, or are wearing an iron corset. I don't mind jiggling boobs, so long as they aren't caricatures. What I do, sort of, mind is that I have no control over how much they jiggle, or who sees them jiggle: that's all part of the voyeur's viewer set up. It's not a really big deal for me, but I do find it kind of creepy and annoying that someone can get off on my bouncing girls without any input from me. Especially since it is liable to cause you to get input from them. ![]() _____________________
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Love Hastings
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10-18-2009 01:31
The physics of that, I'm almost positive, are governed by the x,y, & z velocity (mostly z) of the AV mesh in a certain direction. It works for both agent movement (walking, flying, vehicles) and stationary animations like AO stands or dances.. or any other.. *ahem*.. animation ![]() *light bulb comes on* Jeez I wonder if it has anything to do with what version (optimized or regular) you use ![]() I have seen some jiggle in one other person when walking (or rather, when stopping), but nothing with dancing. Strange... _____________________
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Dana Hickman
Leather & Lace™
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10-18-2009 01:41
I have seen some jiggle in one other person when walking (or rather, when stopping), but nothing with dancing. Strange... That *is* wierd, because from what I've seen on other people, they're rather .. umm.. "lively" when dancing. Dunno.. _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-18-2009 06:10
I mean, you guys wouldn't have any problems at all if another new feature was added that would let us.. Oh saaay... make Lil Johnny stand at attention, reguardless of what you're wearing, right? Just think of all the lovely screenshot blackmail fun that could be had lols. ![]() _____________________
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Vania Chaplin
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10-18-2009 07:41
(...) I'm still pissed that I have to log on an alt to see the effect on myself though. (...) One interesting thing that I really can't find the cause: Playing with 2 alts. With Lucy, the jiggling is there for all girls and for myself. With Emilia, same computer, same shape, I can only see other's bewbs jiggling; Emilia's is hard as a rock. Anyone has a clue to explain the different behaviour? |
Kelli May
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10-18-2009 08:05
I have seen some jiggle in one other person when walking (or rather, when stopping), but nothing with dancing. Strange... That *is* wierd, because from what I've seen on other people, they're rather .. umm.. "lively" when dancing. Dunno.. I *think* the jiggle depends at least partially on z-axis movement. Some animations move the av on this axis, which appears to trigger the effect. For example, on of my standing animations has me shifting my feet. It causes jiggle even when I'm standing still. _____________________
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Ceka Cianci
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10-18-2009 08:52
Well, as I recall there's a "Naked Life" viewer out there somewhere. Which shows off the fact that guys don't *have* "little johnny" at all. ![]() I heard they are charging for it..Isn't that sort of illegal for them to charge money for that pack? _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-18-2009 09:18
I heard they are charging for it..Isn't that sort of illegal for them to charge money for that pack? _____________________
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Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
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10-18-2009 09:34
I HAVE brought it up! In a kind of muted, jokey sort of way, admittedly. Boobs jiggle, in RL, unless you bind them, or are wearing an iron corset. I don't mind jiggling boobs, so long as they aren't caricatures. What I do, sort of, mind is that I have no control over how much they jiggle, or who sees them jiggle: that's all part of the voyeur's viewer set up. It's not a really big deal for me, but I do find it kind of creepy and annoying that someone can get off on my bouncing girls without any input from me. That is all . . . ![]() Breasts do jiggle - but not in that intentional way that men would wish. I'm still not sure about how this all works but it seems the viewer can jiggle breasts he or she can see on other avatars. So its purpose is to be a "schoolboy fantasy". My partner - Hal- has indicated he'd liek to see what all teh fuss is about and i naturally informed him that I was pleased he was above all this chauvinism and "treating women as objects" but he changed the subject. My breasts jiggle - sure - but I cant make them swing in circles like strippers do. _____________________
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Suki Hirano
冬の温暖
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10-18-2009 09:55
I thought that the extra attachment points actually DO work correctly, but only when viewed through Emerald.. it's the other viewers that see them as floating in random spots. All your client needs is the changed avatar_lad.xml that we made. Any client that uses this sees and can use the new attachment points. This file can simply be -copied- into other client's 'character' folders. No source or anything needed, at all. Avatar_lad.xml? Is that some add-on from the modular website? Oh and I realize that other people who use the Emerald viewer can see the attachments in the right spots, but regular client users still see them in random spots right? Since most people still stick to the regular client for whatever reason, I guess the extra attachment spots isn't that useful at this point :x _____________________
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Love Hastings
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Join date: 21 Aug 2007
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10-18-2009 09:58
One interesting thing that I really can't find the cause: Playing with 2 alts. With Lucy, the jiggling is there for all girls and for myself. With Emilia, same computer, same shape, I can only see other's bewbs jiggling; Emilia's is hard as a rock. Anyone has a clue to explain the different behaviour? I think I'm seeing the same thing. _____________________
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Nika Talaj
now you see her ...
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10-18-2009 10:34
Avatar_lad.xml? Is that some add-on from the modular website? Oh and I realize that other people who use the Emerald viewer can see the attachments in the right spots, but regular client users still see them in random spots right? Since most people still stick to the regular client for whatever reason, I guess the extra attachment spots isn't that useful at this point :x That xml file is part of the Emerald client, and I believe it only shows up (in your character folder in Application Data) if you use the feature once (attach something to a new point). Then you can copy the file to any character folder, and attachments to the new points will appear correctly, no matter what client you use. An amazingly huge number of people are using Emerald, considering how young it is. And yes, many of the features seem to be prototypes, perhaps meant to prod LL into incorporating some of the easier ones quickly. Emerald is looking to me to be definitely using more CPU cycles, at least on my low-end lappie. That lappie depends on the CPU to help rez textures, so increased load on the CPU shows up immediately as lag. I am wondering if the extensive use of Emerald is responsible for some of the increased lag that many residents are complaining about. If I can get some time on my desktop, I'll try to get a handle on how Emerald compares to Snowglobe or 1.22 on a decent PC. |
Chris Norse
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10-18-2009 11:07
LOL. Wouldn't they? I wonder. Maybe not in SL. But "The Lurch" . . . that sort of bent-over look that men who are sporting an unanticipated woody use to "hide" it . . . is, um, a not uncommon and pretty recognizable phenomenon. Sometimes combined with the "casual-hands-in-pocket-to-stretch-out-the-front-of-the-pants" approach . . . Yeah, we never notice. You're safe. ![]() Stand tall and walk proud is the only way to go. _____________________
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Love Hastings
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10-18-2009 11:08
An amazingly huge number of people are using Emerald, considering how young it is. People are starving for features which improve usability. Emerald is filling a *huge* desire in LL's customers. Some changes might miss, but far too many have hit the mark. I'm not going to wonder if LL has taken notice. They probably have, but as always, have other priorities with their own development time. _____________________
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LittleMe Jewell
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10-18-2009 11:11
All your client needs is the changed avatar_lad.xml that we made. Any client that uses this sees and can use the new attachment points. This file can simply be -copied- into other client's 'character' folders. No source or anything needed, at all. In reading the xml file, it also seems that I could give myself more HUD attachments? I might have to try that. . _____________________
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