Please help fight camping

I dont really have a problem with that statement.

My solution if I had a magic wand would be to get rid of the Traffic metric.

Sadly not. I have excellent sculptie cushions and pillows though

Sculpties in SL are not all that they are cracked up to be - they change shape according to the distance you are from them. I didn't get well into making sculpties, but I did discover that about them when I was doing it.

same thing that trees do

But you can sculpt them for as little radical change as possible.. somethin about that in the building thread.. they are wonderful, but still limited

They do make beautiful shoes.

Hmm interesting how much distance?

I bought some sculpty couches today, kinda like them.

I didn't measure distances, but at around 15m or so they looked wrong (I'm estimating from memory here), and moving closer, they took up their proper shape. I also saw the same effect in a store that sells sculptie couches. In fact, I could tell they were sculpties because of that effect.

Perhaps a lot of it is to do with the person's graphic settings - I don't know. My settings are for quite good quality, but not the best quality. I need it set that way because I make things for people in general to see.

so basically better for smaller rooms. Good to know!

That's my experience with them. I'm assuming it's the same for everyone but I don't know.

Pretty sure the LoD thing affects everybody the same for a given sculptmap. But I've drastically reduced my use of sculpties anyway, keeping no more than one or two different sculptmap textures in any build. The novelty has faded for me walking around a box of overgrown cucumbers while waiting for them to download.

Hmm yes If we can't beat them perhaps we should all join them till the grid collapses. I might put 20 alts in my little store, it's only got 6 items for sale but , hey it's good business practice apparently

As my previous posts stated, placing enough campers to fill a sim is a very stupid business decision. Putting 20 campers in a store that sells 6 items is a stupid business decision because it would be laughable and looked down upon. If a business person has their own sim then I say go for it, if that's the stupid decision they want to make.

I'm not sure what they have only 6 of to sell that will keep one sim running and pay for all those campers, but it must be a pretty spectacular item.

Give me absurdity, I'll respond with absurdity.

EDIT: I just realized you said the grid collapse, not the sim. Now that is absurd.

Lol oops replace campers with alts yep was going to do it on mainland actually on a 512m plot LOL <sarcasm mode off>

There I agree with you, Tegg, but alts are an entirely different discussion than campers.

Unless I'm mistaken, (i don't play WoW), with WoW, you have to buy and register a specific software disk that can be traced whenever you log in. You can't do that in a world with free repetitive downloads and third party viewers.

There's a big reason why Google doesn't go alphabetical. People can just fill the name field up with A's. People that are looking for my place specifically wouldn't stop in the A's, but they would search for it by name to begin with. People looking for the things that I would talk about in the description are going to stop looking after a few pages no matter what letter that gets them to. The only reason phone listings still work well is because they cover such a limited area. There's only so many mechanics in your city, but if the phone book tried to cover the whole country, it would be useless if you were trying to find one local to you that worked on your specific kind of car.

Well WoW has the free trial which is used by Gold Spammers and those delivering Gold. However at one stage here there was a a link between your account and alts because when I setup my alt I was looking for where I paid the $USD 9.99. I didn't have to as the system had changed but at some point they tied your accounts together or they'd never have been able to charge that fee.

The reason why search engines don't list the results alphabetically is not because of that. It's because they list results on relevancy to the searchterm. If they didn't do that, they would just be listing services.

Are you suggesting,

That people new to second Life do not know the alphabet contains more letters than the letter A?

In fact alphabetical is preferable to the traffic list in some ways since people at least have a sense of how many pages they should look through.

Right now many will just stop tabbing through as the traffic numbers get lower since those places "must be always empty"



Any large city has more people and businesses than second life. The 10 million+ number is HIGHLY inflated.

The real reason it works for phone books is they are catagorized.

You can't spam the keywords to heck...

You dont qualify as "everything" lol



That would likely have to be included if the system were ever changed.

Thus you'd need to decide if you were a clothing store, a department store, a novelty store, a club, a mall, a amusement park, etc.

I assume that people do know the alphabet, but they still aren't going to wade through dozens of pages of search results to find what they want. Typically, people will start at the top of a list and continue through it until they find what they were looking for. If you aren't near the top of that list, they won't find you. Any suggestion that business owners just add some A's in front of their name to deal with the alphabetical listing is just silly. In a very short time, the first few pages of results would have places with names consisting only of A's (or whatever special character gets listed first).

How is this issue worse than that faced by people not paying campers/running traffic bots now?

I submit it is better because it does not incorrectly suggest to the uninitiated that the reason the places are on the top is because they are the most popular.

The Alphabetical list would only suggest their name started with A.

And of course any gaming that went on would not depend on how much money someone wants to shell out and how many avatars they clog onto their land just to cook the numbers. Which are legitimate concerns.

The issue is the places listing isn't supposed to be pay to get to the top.

The classified is.

Thus any system thats based on pay isn't going to be any better than Traffic for places from that perspective.
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If you were to eliminate that concern for some reason then you don't need alphabetical or traffic.

Just let places pay for their "Place" ranking with a bid. And cap the bid for mainland sims at X and private Islands at X+Y

Then you'd have the same thing you have now with the added benefit of reducing unneeded concurrency and sim hogging.

Since thats all we have now.

This is not rocket science. It is not dependent on LL creating a new Lie-proof system.

Step one of fixing this requires a TOS change.

Simply Ban people caught exploiting the economy or exploiting weaknesses in the technology. This is what Blizzard does and although it does not eliminate scamming entirely, it works for the most part.

Step two requires tying a sensible number of allowed alts to the master account and all master accounts need to be verified with verified pay info.

I definitely don't think they will even Ban places running camper and trafficbots.

I think Traffic will stay as it is .. because LL likes the money

More campers means we need more land.

Yeah its bloated but thats the deal.

I know for sure they aren't going to ban all those people spending money on SL.

Even though I want them to get rid of the traffic metric..

BANNING businesses would be the worst thing LL could do.

The fact that it IS that simple makes it even more frustrating that The Providers are either incapable or unwilling to do so.

QFT