Please help fight camping

Please help fight camping by voting for this proposal to stop ranking places in search results by traffic. This ranking causes the kind of camping that is a problem.

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1052

Addendum:

It's large-scale bot camping I want to discourage. I have no problem with camping for the sake of actually attracting *people* to visit a place in SL, rather than simply to boost traffic stats and ranking.

My favorite solution is this one, please vote for it if you agree (count premium users only in traffic stats):

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-792

Thanks!

NOT gonna happen on my end

BTW, never had a camper , just sick of people blaming camping it`self for how people abuse it,

Camping ain`t` the prob, abuse of it for personal gain is,

Trans Fats I hear are a major componant of obesity...lets ban that from all free countries while we`re at it
Sudden thought..maybe I knee jerked because of the post title..you sayin abuse of camping is wrong..or camping is wrong?

Gah I hate Jira

What is the proposal?

I figure just get rid of the Traffic number.

That will reduce camping to pretty small level anyway.

K thats what it was .


Anyhow makes sense to me.

No I wont help fight camping
I WILL help fight people who hate campers and need to spread that hate all over the grid tho

This is like when Dance clubs took over the landscape of sl. People bitched and bitched but nothing changed. But what happened years ago might happen again if the term paper kids need to start screwing with people minds over at Linden Research Inc and change the rules again. Never say never with some of the looneys running the psychological part of sl. They are as uncaring and thoughtless as those camping bots unable to write in the pubic chat.

Exactly, it's alt bots that are the problem.

Added to JIRA SVC-1052:

The residents of SL need to be able to rely in the integrity of the information they receive from LL.

When shopping, they should be able to trust that search results will reflect the places people most like to shop. Likewise with dancing, clubbing, etc.

If traffic statistics can be distorted by camping bots, then the concept of the popularity of a place becomes meaningless.

It is a form of deception to use camping bots to make a place appear more popular than it actually is, and as long as LL allows this distortion to take place they continue to participate in this deception.

There are two different ways to pursue this. At the moment, this forum is chock full of threads about the evils of camping, campbots, trafficbots, alt-for-camping, etc., their "fairness" and their effect on the grid, with some compelling argumentation against them. But I think relatively under-represented are the problems traffic poses for the Searching consumer, and with Search being all shiny-and-new, LL is more likely to want to polish it to a high sheen than to worry about traffic in and of itself.

That is, a more compelling argument to LL, I think, is that the new Search is broken--we're all still stuck using SLX, OnRez, etc., because we can't find anything with the in-world Search with the signal buried in the Traffic metric noise. Unless they fix it, they may as well send the search appliances back to Google.

I think Camping is ok, Botting is the real problem.

as i`ve made my stand pritty clear on the issue, i won`t vote for 2 simple reasons:

1. LL will never get the guts to do it
2. JIRA is pointless as LL employees pick their own work and ignore top voted issues as they have shown with ignoring issues wich got hundreds of votes

Camping is just a form of advertising. Wait! let's ban all advertising. It's just not fair that people with more resources can do more advertising!

Smells like Spam...Tastes like Spam.....MMMMM Must be, Pie!

Don`t forget ego tripping, bragging rights, wanting to be known etc etc etc.

and i was thinking of being nice for a change

There is a new form of camping on the rise. Check out *one of the known big jewelry shops in SL* and see for yourself. It is called "picks camping". Add the shop to your picks and make money, or get the chance to win some! That's a new strategy to get better ranking in the new google based search which sorts results by relevance = number of links.

It doesn't matter what kind of search there will be - shop owners will always try to improve search results. Why is this any different from paying for a paid ad? The only difference is that other users are the ones getting paid for advertisements and not LL. Why is that bad? Camp money goes to campers who eventuelly spend it on stuff which eventuelly ends up as tier fees at LL.

The bad thing are bots and free alts.

Hmm difference is when you as a store owner are featured in a magazine telling the public you have hundreds of satisfied customers and someone else who doesn't pays the magazine under the table to get a full page mention saying they have millions of satisfied customers.

the only difference is that bots don`t have to be online 24/7 in this case if there was no traffic anymore so less strain on the server that way

Well I guess the good thing about that is all the bots they add theiselves to the picks of don't need to be online, they can just keep creating new accounts every day, log in once and adding their store to their picks, should be good for signup numbers and interesting for new player retention stats.

And they advertise, how? They have lots more means of advertising then clogging up the sims with campers.

I don't know. Maybe it's me and maybe I'm a bit arrogant but I could never see myself camping for anything. I think it's a bit degrading to do so. To sit for hours on end for what? A few measly dollars? Personally, I don't know how they do it.

Well facts are there hehehe

Another game within the game it seems now.

If the PC is on anyway, or if you camp at a place where you hang out and chat, I don't see anything degrading in that. Of course the payout is set according to the value of the local currency. If in some remote country renting a home costs 1000-2000 tokens a month, and a piece of clothing 100 tokens, what wage would you expect for unskilled advertisement work? You have to keep in mind that many users don't plan to buy L$ at all. No camping, no shopping.

Well, besides that, I personally find it much more "degrading" to be an escort.

What's the difference to paid ads in your local newspaper?

People buy news papers and other reading materials. Its buildt in cost of the media. No payment online users don`t pay a thing its free for them. Campers are they say are only here for one purpose. Why waste resources and spam users that are paying users on sl.