Everyone in SL should verify using Aristotle ;)

You really think that is the next and only other step for online user identification available that is better than Aristole's?

Everything else is not going to work at the percentages you want.

The current system works like a lock, which only keeps out the honest or those who don't want to put in effort to bypass it (with it being what it is... far easier to bypass)

The current system has the problem of not having complete data as well. Legit users are refused verification (because many like me are off the radar for the most part by paying attention to where and how our information is used... meaning that it's not in the databases many verification systems mine)

So yes till there is a worldwide database with everyone having an implant id'ing them implanted there is not going to be a system that works. (and even that system can be bypassed by falsifying the data from the implant for the ones that are willing to put the effort in)

so this means, if I'm reading the info here correctly, EU members have no protection against missuse of information given, as they havn't re-certified, and lol self certification is shakey at best, as its certainly not know for companies to accidentally, provide incorrect information

That is how I interpret it. I am digging for more info as i time allows as my RL biz has to come first as i find it i will post the facts to the wiki page for people to draw their own conclusions

Speaking of karma, is that the information of one of the 9-11 terrorists that I see on the slapt.me wiki verification info page? If Aristotle is retaining the info, bet some feds will come knocking on your door soon if you use that to verify. Although they say they aren't, I wouldn't trust them either. A little paranoia isn't a bad thing.

Yay! And then all the SL Police, SLBI and undercover agents come and arrest you in a welcome area with pants down. Mom said wear always fresh underwear. Hahahahaha

It just shows how flawed this whole system is

It probably wouldn't do the company's reputation much good if that happened.

It's actually a serious point.

You use some publicly-available information to verify.
Other people use that same information.
One or more of those other people get up to no good while using the protection of that verification, or the verification link is detected during the course of an investigation.
Aristotle have to store the verification information for 2 years by law - even if they didn't just store it just to have a kinda sorta peep at it from time to time.
The feds / Homeland Security use the vaulted data for precisely the purpose that it is vaulted by law.
The 1000's of people who used the details of John Doe to verify will become suspected terrorists/criminals because they used the same (fake) verification information as the bad guys.
They will get a knock on the door. If they are lucky, the agent checking them out will not be a total bone-head.
They will know that all sorts of people will have used the data to fake a verification, but it's in their nature to check every lead. It may also be in their nature to rattle the cages of anyone who has caused all this work for them.

For us Europeans Aristotle is not to be trusted as it doesn't have a current certification status (even then its suspect because the US let the companies self certify lol) and does not therefore comply with the Safe Harbour laws and if in their database they suddenly have 1000 or more Mohamed Ata's or Tupac Shakur's or Elvis Presley's or any other name of any person, methinks they would seriously look at how they collect this data and if their own systems were working correctly.

Not withstanding that however, they do not comply with the European Directives about data collection and therefore by default cannot be trusted under our laws here. Not that I have used incorrect data, but if the Feds want a visit to Holland I would be happy to show them the sites, that is after the Dutch Government has picked itself up off the floor after laughing and said that we cannot knock on this persons door, because for one the data you collect cannot be trusted and maybe then the EU will reiterate the Safe Harbour rules to Aristotle and instruct them to comply if they want to be taken seriously.

Just my opinion though

Scary eh? lol

Political campaigns on both sides of the aisle have been using Aristotle to gather voter information for quite awhile. Aristotle has in the past sold voter registration lists containg personal information on the internet to anyone willing to pay for them, despite many States having restrictions on doing so.

Interesting that one of the people that was involved in starting the company was heavily into politics

That'll be entertaining now...

Elvis, Elvis, Tupac, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Elvis, Tupac, Hitler...

... a snake! Oh no, a snake!

Is that a goodwin? lolol

*whips off her pants and waves them in salute

I do not think that Linden Lab really wants to require verification, but that they feel pressued to do so for legal and/or press reasons.

So if they have to have an age verification service, I would prefer it to be one that allows me to protect my privacy by being verified through information that does not actually link to me.

Do not assume that the alternative to Aristotle is that Second Life will have no age verification. The alternative may very well be more stringent verification.

The problem I have found today is as I quoted earlier



Maybe it will mean another way to verify for non USA people but I am afraid my opinions on Aristotle have gone down today in a big way. If USA people are happy with the non stringent procedures on Data protection then thats fine, but under the EU directives, Aristotle cannot be trusted as it does not conform to the Safe Harbour rules.

Just my thoughts

And it would kill SL in days if implemented.

People will only jump through so many hoops for recreation, and LL knows this.

Magic age verification fairies?

On a plane??

So nothing works to a better percentage than Aristole?

Considering it takes a simple google search to find data to feed any and all verification systems... no

Now you want an Orwellian one that works, that would do it. But you would be the only one in SL

It's 100% effective against the lazy and the honest. Nothing will work against the dedicated or dishonest

(here is a tidbit... locks are 100% effective, till you consider most are never tested by someone intent on getting past them... but once someone intent on getting by shows up the efficiency drops to practically 0 )

You are obviously better versed in the art of bypassing locks than I am, I find most cardoor locks a bit of an art to bypass, have found many doors with locks that proved 100% effective to prohibiting access without requiring destruction by industrial means.