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Cristalle Karami
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11-12-2007 14:37
Actually, it might be a good thing. If things like the financial scams make it to mainstream American news, it might prod LL into banning the activity once and for all.
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Bradley Bracken
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11-12-2007 14:41
From: Har Fairweather
Only when there were Clintons in the White House.


That's because the U.S.A. hasn't existed except in name only since then. That silly old Constitution was such a nuisance.

/me has made his political statement of the day and hides before it starts getting heated.
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11-12-2007 14:45
From: Har Fairweather
Only when there were Clintons in the White House.


I remember that. The Clinton News Network.

F**K CNN.
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11-12-2007 15:25
:\ the 'clintons' (remember, only -one- was prez at the time :| ) had a very nice anti-terrorism program going on. t'was only after the supreme court decided another bushie was prez that the program was thrown out in whole and 9-11 happened. pardon if that's considered 'opinion', but actually... IT'S NOT.
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11-12-2007 15:31
From: Nyoko Salome
:\ the 'clintons' (remember, only -one- was prez at the time :| ) had a very nice anti-terrorism program going on. t'was only after the supreme court decided another bushie was prez that the program was thrown out in whole and 9-11 happened. pardon if that's considered 'opinion', but actually... IT'S NOT.


I do wish people would get their facts straight...sigh. Apparently any falsehood is considered ok as long as it is a slap at Bush. It really gets tiresome.
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11-12-2007 15:31
From: Nyoko Salome
:\ the 'clintons' (remember, only -one- was prez at the time :| ) had a very nice anti-terrorism program going on. t'was only after the supreme court decided another bushie was prez that the program was thrown out in whole and 9-11 happened. pardon if that's considered 'opinion', but actually... IT'S NOT.



Now, we were told in 92, that they were a package deal, vote for one you get both. This is where the Hillarycare fiasco came from.
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11-12-2007 15:33
From: Nyoko Salome
:\ the 'clintons' (remember, only -one- was prez at the time :| ) had a very nice anti-terrorism program going on. t'was only after the supreme court decided another bushie was prez that the program was thrown out in whole and 9-11 happened. pardon if that's considered 'opinion', but actually... IT'S NOT.


No..that was a CoPresidency.
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11-12-2007 15:33
From: Colette Meiji
Never cyber anyone from CNN.

Their heat of the moment sound clip is James Earl Jones saying:

"This is CNN!"

thats hot =P
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11-12-2007 16:21
From: Bradley Bracken
That's because the U.S.A. hasn't existed except in name only since then. That silly old Constitution was such a nuisance.

/me has made his political statement of the day and hides before it starts getting heated.


Huh? :confused: :confused: :confused:

The least constitutional Presidency was that of Lincoln.

http://www.slate.com/id/2059132/

Rivaled by Roosevelt

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/internment1.html

And don't forget Nixon

http://watergate.info/

While there are some definite problems in the Bush Administration, claiming the USA no longer exists and Presidential abuse of power it is somehow unprecedented is basically untrue.
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11-12-2007 16:23
/me applauds Colette.
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Nyoko Salome
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11-12-2007 16:58
/the founding fathers applaud colette then too. ;)

(then they mumble 'where's the f***ing country i left behind??';)
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11-12-2007 17:56
From: Colette Meiji

While there are some definite problems in the Bush Administration, claiming the USA no longer exists and Presidential abuse of power it is somehow unprecedented is basically untrue.


Ok, you have me. I didn't think anyone would take my comment that the USA no longer exists literally. I'm terrified at the direction we're heading but we aren't there yet. My real terror is with the American people and how complacent we've become. I guess I should therefore be grateful someone worse than Bush isn't in power.

Just because there is a precedence for abuse of power doesn't make it right.
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11-12-2007 18:06
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11-12-2007 18:24
From: Bradley Bracken
Ok, you have me. I didn't think anyone would take my comment that the USA no longer exists literally. I'm terrified at the direction we're heading but we aren't there yet. My real terror is with the American people and how complacent we've become. I guess I should therefore be grateful someone worse than Bush isn't in power.

Just because there is a precedence for abuse of power doesn't make it right.


re: 'the good german', 'it can't happen here', etc etc...

no no NO NO ((((HANDSOVEREARS))))ICAN'THEARYOUUUUUUUUU;)

...

sigh. wonders about what planet/continent/region i was born in... maybe none really better... but wonders nonetheless.

p.s. wondering since the crib, seeing helicopters in the jungles of 'nam... gee when can i get my certified gold 'for-life-god-blessed-amercan' gold card?? wheeeeeeee;)

'YEEE'CAN'T DO THAT T'ME, I'M'N'MERICAN!!'

'oh well -here,- we don't call this... TORTURE.'

have fun watching 'saw IV'. ;)

sleep well...
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11-12-2007 19:18
From: Bradley Bracken
Ok, you have me. I didn't think anyone would take my comment that the USA no longer exists literally. I'm terrified at the direction we're heading but we aren't there yet. My real terror is with the American people and how complacent we've become. I guess I should therefore be grateful someone worse than Bush isn't in power.

Just because there is a precedence for abuse of power doesn't make it right.

Stop panicking, the correction will happen Next year, the democrats will get in and they will have 8 years to run the country into the ground their way. It's the natural cycle.
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11-12-2007 19:22
From: Brenda Connolly
Stop panicking, the correction will happen Next year, the democrats will get in and they will have 8 years to run the country into the ground their way. It's the natural cycle.


insensical: yyyyyeah gee, everyone is f***ed up in exactly the same way. die now. relieve yourself the agony...

sensible: nnnnnnnooooo... not everything/everybody/every party is f***ed up. you may not like everything done within a chosen party... but practically, 80% right is better than 10% wrong. the 'lip service' -is- important. israel was -disappointed- that only -98%- of the populace turned out last election. feel so red-white-and-blue proud now?????? add up the electoral college numbers and do the math...

the original 1700s' revolution didn't even take a third of the colonial 'population' to revolt. ;) do your history, too....
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11-12-2007 19:26
From: Brenda Connolly
Stop panicking, the correction will happen Next year, the democrats will get in and they will have 8 years to run the country into the ground their way. It's the natural cycle.


Yeah, you're pretty much right there. I'm actually very conservative in many ways but I don't see either party as being conservative. To me my decision over which party to choose comes down to which one shows more support to me as a gay man. That makes it an open and shut case for me. Beyond that I don't see too much difference between the parties. Neither is for small government. Only difference in that sense is what each defines small government as.
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11-12-2007 19:27
From: Bradley Bracken
Ok, you have me. I didn't think anyone would take my comment that the USA no longer exists literally. I'm terrified at the direction we're heading but we aren't there yet. My real terror is with the American people and how complacent we've become. I guess I should therefore be grateful someone worse than Bush isn't in power.

Just because there is a precedence for abuse of power doesn't make it right.


In 1 year and 2 months we will have someone new to complain about.

About this "Bush the Dictator" attitude, I think people are focused on the wrong things.

The biggest change in Presidential Power since World War 2 is the ability to wage conflict of indefinite length without a declaration of war.

Its become no longer politically expedient to declare wars.

How can the bill of rights stand when the separation of powers has been willingly overturned?
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11-12-2007 19:31
From: Bradley Bracken
Yeah, you're pretty much right there. I'm actually very conservative in many ways but I don't see either party as being conservative. To me my decision over which party to choose comes down to which one shows more support to me as a gay man. That makes it an open and shut case for me. Beyond that I don't see too much difference between the parties. Neither is for small government. Only difference in that sense is what each defines small government as.

it's just a question of how they steal our money and who the give it to. One side favors Big Business running rampant while the other fosters the Welfare-Nanny State. In the end, the average citizen gets the finger.
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11-12-2007 20:00
From: Brenda Connolly
it's just a question of how they steal our money and who the give it to. One side favors Big Business running rampant while the other fosters the Welfare-Nanny State. In the end, the average citizen gets the finger.


yah, sure... and -this- is equal in terms...

"Want to get a glimpse at how much emphasis the administration is putting on research into solving energy issues? Take a look[...]"

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/12/10595/639

whew, let's put this in alphabetical terms.... "nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny nanny"...

okay, that's only 10X10 nanny's for the argument (how much the u.s. gov't spends vs. energy independence - and that's not even enough). yah, yowze, sign my tax mon up for the losing game...
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11-12-2007 20:44
From: Colette Meiji
In 1 year and 2 months we will have someone new to complain about.

About this "Bush the Dictator" attitude, I think people are focused on the wrong things.

The biggest change in Presidential Power since World War 2 is the ability to wage conflict of indefinite length without a declaration of war.

Its become no longer politically expedient to declare wars.

How can the bill of rights stand when the separation of powers has been willingly overturned?

And this, friends, is why the Star Wars prequels matter. How does a Republic become an Empire? When it is manipulated by fear.
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11-12-2007 20:50
From: Cristalle Karami
And this, friends, is why the Star Wars prequels matter. How does a Republic become an Empire? When it is manipulated by fear.



lollollol;)) as much as i wish g.l. had pre-assessed the prequils, this one aspect i did love about them (and found them rather precognizant, even if the rest of the country decided not to notice that 'pointed point'.;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w9EksAo5hY
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11-12-2007 20:54
From: Cristalle Karami
And this, friends, is why the Star Wars prequels matter. How does a Republic become an Empire? When it is manipulated by fear.


Except part of the fear in this case is Senators and Representatives afraid they wont be re-elected.
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11-12-2007 21:02
From: Meade Paravane
And, if you read the comments, nobody actually uses SL.. Somebody should tell the +47k online now that they're wasting their time.



Fixed: And, if you read the comments, nobody actually uses SL.. Somebody should tell the +47k online BOTS now that they're wasting their time:rolleyes:
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11-12-2007 21:31
From: Rebecca Proudhon
Fixed: And, if you read the comments, nobody actually uses SL.. Somebody should tell the +47k online BOTS now that they're wasting their time:rolleyes:


did this thread just skip a groove again??

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waste of effing money, period, period, PERIOD. no 'comparing how many lives lost in which/that war'... nobody is blinded by that b.s. anymore. stop it. NOW.

fuel your own car on your own blood....
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