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Stephen Wisent
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Join date: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 95
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02-07-2008 08:07
Mmmm.. well I've come back and we now seem to be discussing the morality of hierarchical service levels..  Should've.. Would've ... Could've... You can't go to a green grocer, buy an apple, pay your money and then say to the shop keeper that you think anyone that pays him money should get a free orange. Who knows what the dynamics of his business are, maybe the guy makes more profit on the apples and can only afford to stock oranges because of the revenue generated by apples. Am I subsidising the people who buy oranges, by purchasing an apple? To be honest, it's none of my business. The guy offered to sell me an apple at a given price.. I agreed.. thank's very much. Maybe he could afford to give me an orange.. Maybe, if I'm not happy I should hand the apple back and be refunded.. without obviously having taken a big juicy bite first... It's a complicated world.. and unfair.. and no mistake.. |
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Czari Zenovka
I've Had it With "PC"!
Join date: 3 May 2007
Posts: 3,688
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02-07-2008 08:34
From: 3Ring Binder i have not gone back to research which post was first or second, but i was responding to your comment that disabled and low income people rely on places like SL for entertainment, and that their income base is a factor... when i fact, regardless of status, anyone can play for free.
while i feel a great deal of compassion for their plight, i did not see the relation to this discussion, and went on a tangent about politics.
in my perception, you were expecting 'socialized gaming' which isn't relevent since it's a free game...
your second posting seems to have nothing to do with my reply.
i'm lost. Sorry you got lost. I'm not going to back and restate everything I said in my previous posts...but I assure you I was not expecting "socialized gaming." Anyone who knows me (or my politics) can tell you I am quite the opposite. I still maintain we are in agreement
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Czari Zenovka
I've Had it With "PC"!
Join date: 3 May 2007
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02-07-2008 08:38
From: Eazel Allen Paying for the right to give lindens more money eg: the tier costs on top of the full account costs just dosnt cut it for me. Renting mainland with a reputable landlord beats buying mainland everytime because it also gives you the option to easily move when someone opens a club next to you or starts griefing. Then you dont have to wait tell can find a buyer for your land you can just move straight away. QFT! Precisely why I rent mainland. And I have had wonderful landlords - only reason we have had to move was when our landlord sold out due to the VAT.
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Deunan Pink
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Join date: 2 Oct 2006
Posts: 77
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02-07-2008 08:58
There are various ways for LL to make money to continue to develop and run this thing given their current business model as far as I can see: 1. Selling land in all its forms. 2. Collecting monthly taxes (tier) off that land. 3. Owning and operating the L$ printing press. 4. Fee paying members. If you have bought land - private, or mainland; then you are directly contributing to LL. If you buy Lindens to buy "stuff", you are directly contributing. If you have paying accounts whether they own land or not you are directly contributing. If you do none of these things, you can at best only indirectly support LL and therefore shouldn't expect the same level of support. Personally, I'd make everyone pay to play - even if it was just $5 pcm for no land ownership - just maybe we'd finally get some stability as the Lindens get more cash while we dump the additional system resource that thinks everything should be free, or subsidised by someone else. I'd bet there would be a lot less griefing too if you had to pay each time your 50th alt was banned.  <---- Not directed at anyone here of course. |
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Colette Meiji
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Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
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02-07-2008 10:19
From: Eazel Allen hey Colette what side are you actually on because its hard to tell from your posts LOL I'm not on a side. I think LL customer service is not very good. But I don't think they are making so much money that we should expect it to be any better. This whole different support for different payment levels really hasn't benefited anyone any. SIM owners get more service, but then SIM owners have more technical related headaches. Since LL wants to be a 3D web host and not a virtual world company - Expecting them to provide service based on something OTHER than direct purchase of web hosting services is a bit naive. If you rent from a Conseriege level person, I believe the idea is you go through them for much of your support needs. Since they are the ones subletting out the web hosting service. If we don't like the fact they don't want to be a virtual world company .. well thats unfortunate since as time has gone on they have very clearly shown that they don't want to be that. |
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Serenarra Trilling
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Join date: 14 Oct 2006
Posts: 246
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02-07-2008 14:54
From: Deunan Pink I'd bet there would be a lot less griefing too if you had to pay each time your 50th alt was banned. <---- Not directed at anyone here of course. To me this the the main, most viable reason to make everyone pay for every account - I'd be willing to bet it would cut the griefing by about 90%. |