Should we bother trying to keep this forum open?

Any thoughts on any action we could take to keep them from freezing this site?

Organized protest here?

In-world protest?

Office hours protest?

Submit a JIRA?

Have Jig threaten to send them a lengthy message a day until they succumb?

What can we do, if anything to save this place?

We could probably do all the above, but it won't do any good. At the end of the day, they'll do what they want like they always do.

On another note, do we have a date when they are going to freeze these forums? Don't know if I missed a thread or announcement somewhere.

the way i see it.as much as people were asking to keep the xstreet forums where they were and LL not missing a step to move them..i don't know what chance these would have..

You can start, and comment on, threads on the new Xstreet Flogs pointing out legitimate ways in which those "forums" are inadequate to the task of creating a healthy, helpful SL forum community. I'm sure they are regarding that Flog as a Beta.

For example, you could demand there that they not cut over to a Flog before they create a single search which can find posts from both the old content forums and whatever they come up with for new content forums, simultaneously.

Take a look at them ... the list of inadequacies is quite long, and LL needs to be told, politely, about each, with a suggestion for a fix.
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there is no doubt the new ones are a pain in the rear end to use and find anything..I'm just glad we will still be able to access the information here and over on xstreet..
it's still gonna suck no matter what.. they seem to be proud of the yahoo style they have..
Bleh..hate it

a few weeks ago i would have answered "yes". since then i've found myself growing more and more apathetic about it, but not quite at the point of saying "no".

btw, it goes without saying (she said) that if the pile of legitimately required changes is large enough, LL will simply drift away to something else and do nothing. Particularly with a new VP of web shininess, whose top concern is going to be website revenue.

If the top concern is web site revenue, they're sure doing a great job in pushing everyone away from the web site. Looks like they're doing a *wonderful* job.

YES!

fixed

We've been telling them for years what we want...

I went to Blue's office hour last Wednesday and he seemed surprised that people weren't all pro-new-forums. I was pretty much speechless.

I guess there's some secret place where Lindens get resident feedback and anything not said there doesn't count.

Yes.. I don't think I've spent more than 20 minutes or so in-world in the last week. By far ('cept when on vacation) a new low.

If they're trying to beat my love of SL out of me, they're doing a bang up job.

All such expressions of dissent will not stop a single thing as was experienced on xstreet. Discussions about non SL related topics will simply have to go on elsewhere. Violate the rules one too many times and you can be banned from Second Life permanently.
Adapt or don't. Your choice. Go back and study Mitch Kapor's SL5B closing keynote for clues.

I appreciate the sentiment Ray, but what the Hell else can we do? As a group , we've made our voices heard to anyone who would listen, and we've been lied to and ignored. Some people have gone above and beyond, Oryx, Nika, Qie and others and still we get "Fongool"* from the Lab. Let LL have their Blogororum. I hope they choke on it.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fongool

Agreed, I think by giving the feedback in the flog we can point out changes that are needed as that evolves, they're learning from that as it gets used and this does put the Xstreet guys in the crash test dummies seat, but it's not our fault they chose to move them first.

They should leave us alone whilst they learn from the Xstreeters.

I'm afraid we've been down that road already. We've protested on the new site, we've nitpicked the hell out of every flaw and usability issue on the site, and we've even taken our concerns up with Blue. Blue listened. Unfortunately, nobody above him is. Linden Labs already has it set in their myopic sights that everything they are doing is good and right, and us users have no clue what we're talking about.

Many discussions about SL topics will probably have to go somewhere as well. They won't like any dissent on their new shiny website as they pimp to the corporates.

Looks at the Linden track record for listening to Resident concerns about OpenSpaces/Homestead sims: Epic Fail.

Looks at the Linden track record for listening to Resident concerns about Adult Content and forced moves to Zindra or Adult Private sims: Epic Fail.

Looks at the Linden track record for listening to Resident concerns about the current state of the forums.secondlife.com forums (Such as them turning off UBB formatting, refusing to upgrade the base software, implementing hacks for "SQL Vulnerabilities" that rendered normal posts impossible to post). : Epic Fail.

Looks at the Linden track record for listening to Resident concerns about Second Life Answers and its inadequacies. : Epic Fail.

Looks at the Linden track record for listening to Resident concerns about the Blog in general its inadequacies. : Epic Fail.

Looks at the Linden track record for listening to Resident concerns about Forced moved of the XStreet-SL Forums to the "Flog". : Epic Fail.



Looks at your chances of the Lindens listening to Resident concerns about anything having to do with forced moves of the forums.secondlife.com forums to the "Flog", and its inadequacies. : You don't have a snowball's chance in hell.

Show me where LL acquires any revenue streams from the web site. I heard mention by the Lindens of a suggestion at some point in the future banner ads might be displayed somewhere in the new forums. But at the moment LL sells nothing on the web site except L$ currency and none of this will have any effect on that even if the few hundred ardent forum users quit. This is a minority. The xstreet forums were less. Should have seen the the now notorious Pink message about how the top 10% earners don't use the forums.

Nothing you can say or do about it.

I'm a great believer in seventh time lucky Ceera!

But wait. The Linden track record for listening to Resident concerns about Land bots. :

Oh, that's right. Epic Fail on that one too.

It's a race condition. In a year, the euphoria about corporate saviors and million-plus concurrency will have faded, with the most vocal of its proponents gone from the scene. (Except Mitch, of course, who gets a new vision with each dose of Media Lab magic mushrooms.)

I doubt these Forums can last long enough for it to become organizationally evident that the whole "glossy-up the site for the suits" idea was hopeless. Even if they were to come to their senses immediately, we'd still be stuck with the punchcard version of vBulletin here, and nobody in LL would want to update it, still, after they sober up.

All of which makes it all the more important to be as comprehensive as possible about what's missing and what's broken in the new Flogs. If only that weren't so painful.

Yes, LL has a habit of just ignoring any essential functionality that proves inconvenient (Windlight, for example, and even their darling, voice, still lacking long-promised features). Yet, anything that's never on the list of must-do tasks surely won't get done.

It is time to let the old ways fall by the waistside and embrace the new. Some things you just can not keep trying to hold on to. It truly is not the end of the world.Heads up.

If I thought Linden Lab would listen, I'd do something to try to keep this forum open.

I think the best we can hope for is they forget this forum exists and no one gets around to pulling the plug.