Are we human? Or, are we griefer?

Actually.. I had my Second Life Mentor tag on each time. Where did you invent that I had any other tag on? (=_=)

Oh, I don't mean 'tag' over your head. I meant the tag in your group window of your profile. The tag over your head could be anything

Hey, I was complying with your wishes and letting it die off. You should maybe let that happen at this point.

That doesn't make her a griefer, and you know that, so having had your original assertions in this thread demonstrated false are you going to apologize, or are you shooting for zero out of three?

I read that you are an FBI agent, is there any truth to that Immy? (^_^)

Har Fairweather's Nine-Step Program For Achieving Nirvana In Re: This issue:

1. Make sure your conscience is clear.
2. Do not grief.
3. Retain membership with each group you damn well feel like belonging to.
4. Do not grief.
5. Remember that the rule, "Your Land, Your Rules" applies even when the owner of the land is an idiot.
6. Do not grief.
7. If you are being attacked, harrassed, etc. by said idiot in the context of SL, AR the sucker.
8. Otherwise, ignore same.
9. Do not grief.

That is all.

God how pathetic, and no I am not sorry, its the truth.
You live for this, from what I observed, this is how you thrive. Stirring pots jumping in claiming things for the sake of appearing all knowing and important.

Any and all posts are of no value and you have done your self a disservice as there are times I think you could make a positive contribution to topics in forums or anywhere.
Pretty sad. I hope you heal.

You're so full of it now it is leaking out of your orifices. You said:
Once again proving how clueless you are.

Nice...because all the groups you're in are better with you, than without you.

I was taught, be an edgy-pseudo-griefer type, a long time ago, how to survive in locations under attack. Back before scripts and build were turned off in most of the WA's, it was common to be orbited, shot, bounced, whatever, such that just establishing a dialog meant you had to be quite good to just stand there.

And he gave me that ability.

I remember one vivid event at Plum-Lime where the WA was under extreme attack, for hours, by one guy. Avatars were disappearing as soon as they rezzed. I tooled up, entered the fray, and started talking with him.

After about 20 minutes of talking, he quit, not only did he quit, but he tried to friend me. Subsequent to that, he went on to become quite a good SL citizen.

Did I understand where he was coming from, I think so, and if I did, how did I learn that?

People come into SL with all sorts of misconceptions. Some work out and they become new paradigms within SL--most don't. But what I have learned is given a chance, most realize the greater whole is more interesting than their particular slice of what they through they considered to be fun. The tricky part is finding that one individual who does understand them, who can connect with them, but also knows there's a greater prize awaiting if they can only be guided there.

Dagmar anyone can hide their group tags in their profile with a click of a button. It is a conscious decision not to. So going to the parcel wearing that group tag (in her profile) allowed the land owner to know she was a member of the group that griefed her. How else did the landowner come to this conclusion and then contact NCI to complain about one of their staff?

I very much doubt this woman has a dossier on Immy to be used against her at this opportune moment.

Nobody refers to the group names in the profile as "group tags". The "group tag" is what shows up over your head, you "wear" the tag by switching to it or activating the group. You made a mistake. It happens. Why not, just once in your life, admit it?

I do. People ask me a for a group 'tag' and I know they want to be a member of a group I have. What do you call the group names in your profile?

The group names in my profile. The tags are what I wear when I activate that group. That is waht people usually refer to when they ask for a group tage.

FOS

I don't know what desperate point you are holding onto - The blogger banned her because of the group she was in. Since she was wearing the word 'Mentor' over her head when she was banned - how else was the landowner to know she was a member of this griefer group other than to edit her profile and see it their in her group tags?

I do not think that this is such a difficult concept to accept. But you don't have to.

I don't think it matters what people in a group you are in do.

That's those people, not you. I don't see how being in a group makes you responsible for the other group members actions.

The blogger did not go out hunting down Woodbury University members like some vigilante serial killer. She just seems to be banning them from her property because some of them griefed her several times. Better safe than sorry.

Immy complained to some NCI folks about her ban and NCI spoke to the land owner about it.

The blog was a little more scandalous - but would have gone away had it not been referred to in this and another forum.

You're starting to sound more and more like Prok him/her/IT self Lias..
I'm a member of only 25 groups myself, and a couple more on some alts, but I still often forget about what groups are there.
If I don't want to provoke someone by group membership, I just make sure I don't carry the conflicting tag over my head. If they feel offended by finding a group in my PROFILE, than that's their problem.

Anyway, your and Proks problem, is that you two accuse people of griefing on the SOLE basis that they are members of a group. Members of the group have allegedly harrassed Prok, but for all Prok knows, they could all be members of Sexy Shoppers as well.
On top of that, YOUR main problem, is that you take *everything* Prok says for granted. Go find other sources of proof. You'll find half of them lead back to Prok him/her/IT self as the source, while the rest show a lot more nuance in their story.

On top of that:
-A couple of WU members have griefed Prok, that much is true, but the majority of WU hasn't. Many were not even aware what was going on, and wouldn't have agreed with it either. Subgroups exist. Friends and alliances forming within groups is one of he facts of life. The actions of individual members does not make the whole group a "griefer group".
-The WU sim is closed, that much is true, but the closure had *nothing* to do with the griefplayers. The only reason was the RL Woodland Uni wanting it closed, and had nothing to do with Proks' petty antics.

But, all this probably won't get through your skull, since as I said at the beginning of this post: "You're starting to sound more and more like Prok him/her/IT self Lias.."

Because they want to wear the tag.

And group scripted objects say "wear the group tag" to get the freebie or unlock the teleporter or whatever. They don't mean "just have the group in your profile".

Groups, or group names, like anyone else.

Yes, it was Prok's problem and she dealt with it as best she could. Immy knew that Prok and this group did not get along well. It was a chance she took to display that tag in her profile and go to Prok's parcel.
I believe that 'a couple' is more than enough when it comes to a group griefing. Something has to be done. She should not just be told to accept the random attack from random members of this group.
I just cut and paste the information available when you google WU. In 2007 WU island was closed because of griefing. I have no idea if they re-opened after that or why they closed again if they did.
I'm sorry, did you say something?

Everybody knows what "wear a group tag" means. It don't mean having a particular group in your profile.

People who display a complete inability to admit when an error has been made on their part are not, in general, particularly trustworthy.

As I said, overflowing out of all orifices. But on to more excrement that she has spewed (to make room for the more to be generated no doubt.)
Many is not all, it is not even most. Just because you're willing to make the vast logical leap that the rest are alts and cheerleaders, that doesn't somehow morph Linden Lab's statements nor does it change the fact that you made a misrepresentation about what Linden Lab had stated from which you now have backtracked without acknowledging that you did any such thing, but that's about par for how you conduct yourself in these forums.
More deflection! Let me try to make it simpler in case you are not simply being disingenuous. Again, you've said nothing to support the statement that:
other than what Prok has claimed which you now acknowledge is at best:
and then have the sheer audacity to claim:
when in fact you did when you said:
You took what Prok said as truth and by direct implication that what Immy said was false, but beyond that, you took it a step further and stated that Immy herself was actively involved in the griefing which is (1) untrue (2) defamatory, and (3) a violation of forum rules.

Does not mean that to me. Anyone can make any group and have it display anything over their head. You have to check their group tags to see what groups they are really in.
I am not sure what your point is. You have convinced yourself that the real point of the post is that she was not wearing I AM A GRIEFER over her head therefore she should not have been banned for being a member of a griefer group.
And trust is not a pre-requisite of posting anonymously in a public forum with strangers from all over the world, 'Smith' (if that is your real name).

Never attribute to malice what could best be explained by ignorance, is that the route you are taking? Cause everybody here knows what a group tag is, except you, apparently. And conveniently enough, this comes to light just when you need to back-peddle a little.



LL will decide if this group is a griefer group. Not you.




Trust has everything to do if you should take them at their word, or even remotely seriously.




You were joking with that bit, right? I LOL'd a little.

I know what a group tag is also. And why am I back peddling? Prok saw her group tag and banned her - is that not the point? I think your getting weighed down by some detail you developed that is way off-topic. Or that may be the point.
No, I have made my decision. I believe anyone can. LL will punish them and any resident with land can ban them.

I don't even know where to begin with this and I refuse to believe you really just don't get it.