What would you need, to feel like you had a role in SL?

I don't recall Bloodlines HUD coming in my download from Linden Labs. There's a bunch of scripted animations, tools, and gestures that I've seen vampires use that are quite effective in enhancing role-play.

You might as well dismiss desktop role-playing because you spent half a session rolling up a "Traveller" character only to have it die in training.
Please consider there may be category distinctions you might have missed.
If by that you mean themed areas and sims, commercial products like Bloodlines, and other such "establishments", well, neither am I. And yet I don't find that a problem.

True, but I do also sometimes miss them on purpose to hear explanations, in case my distinction is wrong.



Great, please tell this to Gabriele, as that was a response to him. I'd be grateful for any clarification on how you do roleplay in that case, though.

Um, are you saying you deliberately state conclusions you feel are false in order to provoke further conversation?

I am a *her* not a *him*.

If you understood properly even the basics of roleplay you would be able to see how you can roleplay outside established games - it should not need explanations to you. Eku pointed out that even most children know how to roleplay without the aid of an established game with rules given to them. Just a few props like dolls and dolls houses, toy guns, etc is all it takes to fire their imaginations.

Shades of Jig? Could definitely be classed as a type of trolling too. I would urge caution on doing much of this, perhaps this is why your posts, Yumi, are often met with a singular response from forum posters.

I apologize.



If you do not mind others ignoring the RP then yes.

No need, just letting you know

Not necessarily, my statement also applies to a small group of children who get together and decide to play cowboys and indians, nurses and doctors, etc.
For that matter it applies to a bunch of any people who get together for free form roleplay of any type.

No, I sometimes do not reason to conclusions I feel are right, because I know my feelings might be wrong.

Ok, but do these exist in SL or are they inevitably hoovered up by the theme sims? If they do exist, are they public and findable?

What?

You mean your emotions control your reasoning? Isn't reasoning supposed to be about logic?

Actually, if once thinks of reasoning as a set of assumptions, logical transformations, leading to a conclusion, then it looks like you allow your emotions to dictate which assumptions you'll allow, and then after you apply logic, you decide whether you like the conclusion. If not, you'll introduce a new assumption or two which will allow you to draw a more palatable conclusion.

What do you think?

I still don't understand what you mean by, "... but I do also sometimes miss them on purpose to hear explanations."

Caledon is one example that springs to mind. There is a light form of spontaneous, ad-hoc, roleplay there without any rules except social ones.
My own circle of friends support and participate my roleplay of being a vampire.
I am sure there are other examples.

That's a themed sim, though.



Not public and findable, though, so does not scale up well.

I have no particular vested interest in this thread. I RP rarely, but my SL life would be considered mild RP by some, although I am a Druid in RL as well. But I have to say, you are like the person with the low end of the pole when everyone else has the top end and trying to make it fit. You simply seem to want to make everything lead to your conclusion and want to extrapolate your experiences/opinions to the majority, when the majority, from a variety of positions, does not agree. Could it be just possible that you are the one that is not listening or extending possibilities beyond what you want them to be? If you choose to circumscribe your potential by your locked-in expectations, I think you are going to be extraordinarily successful in your attempt.

Caledon is a huge area, not just a single sim, with a variety of Victorian Steampunk themes. It's public and readily findable, as are Steelhead, Steeltopia, and Port Babbage. Someone interested in the Steampunk genre who's been in SL any amount of time will know about all these places by now.

I'm sure that whatever your preferred genre is (what is it? You've never said, I don't think) there are plenty of places that are "close enough", if you take the time to look for them.

Not at all. Yes, you have to account for the submissive's wishes, but ultimately you are still getting to play a ninja who always wins. Given that basic idea is acceptable there can be a lot of variance and cooperation on the details, and how they are done so that the other person enjoys it. But outside BDSM you would probably find that entire _concept_ would be unacceptable, no matter how it was played, because of the lack of reciprocity. Certainly in most ninja or feudal RP it would be unacceptable. Even people who RP, for example, anime series in which there is one character who is the hero and always wins somehow, tend to have trouble with group breakdowns and drama as a result.



I'm listening, but most of the people are talking about themselves, not me or others or everyone. I'm sticking to my points because my experience hasn't changed and so far no-one has explained how their statements can be true while my experience exists.



Sure. But I don't think it would be in any way desirable for SL to arrive at the situation where Steampunk roleplayers find themselves obliged to stick with the details established by Caledon, etc, because they don't have building and organising talent comparable to Desmond's. Ditto with fantasy and Serenity, etc. That's my real issue with the themed sims.



No, I decide whether the conclusion actually matches my experience, or can be used to change it, or if it just comes down to dismissing what's happened to me. If it's the latter I try to find assumptions that do explain them.

Yes it is themed though not all of it is the same theme and it is not a formalised roleplay venue.

Of course it is public and findable.

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Sometimes even I dress up in my best Victorian finery and stalk the streets looking for victims VV

I like explorers best, Caledon explorer blood is the amongst the tastiest around - yummm.

The sentence about being public and findable was a response to your sentence which referred to "your group of friends". They, I presume, are not public nor findable.

What I meant was that Gabriele had repeatedly said I didn't understand things about RP. Although I understand them, sometimes I will not draw conclusions that would normally be drawn based on that understanding, because I know that my understanding might be wrong. If I don't draw the conclusion, hopefully the other person will explain it, which will make _their_ understanding clearer and I can see if it matches mine.

Not My friends, No, but that does not preclude you from getting a bunch of friends together and saying that you intent to roleplay being a whatever-it-is-you-want and you would like them to play along as much as possible if they are willing. My point being that this avenue should not be closed to you either.

Partly that's because you phrase your experience in such broad terms that people have to talk about their own experience. We don't know what kind of role-play you were looking for, what kinds of sims drew people away from it, what you have done to try and find new people who fit your vision, and so on. How can we talk about you when YOU won't talk about you?
There are at least five independent unrelated Steampunk estates, of which Caledon is merely the largest. It just happens to be very large and successful. And it's not, by any means, all or even primarily built by Desmond Shang.

Have you ever BEEN there?

That's true, but I really don't know where to meet people for this. If I meet them in clubs or generic places, they probably aren't interested in RP at all; if I meet them in RP sims, they probably want to RP in that sim.



Didn't Desmond initially build it, though? Certainly, he organised it, so the problem stands. And moreover, from what I recall Desmond posted here, he doesn't actually get to RP much there, he has to concentrate on running administration, which is pretty poor really - anyone who has an original RP idea can't ever do it because to get anyone involved, they'll have to organise and administrate it, and thus not RP.

Nobody at Caledon makes any roleplay rules afaik, you are not obliged to stick with the direction their roleplay happens to be going in. It is not even formalised, it is very freeform and casual. You are making spot judgments based upon what you *think* might be the case without finding out for sure.

The roleplay at Caledon is not oraqnised by anyone, it is ad-hoc, free form and casual based. If you meet with some of the people, roleplay a scene with them and then later meet them again. If they recall you they will also recall the scene you played and treat that meeting as a continuation of the last time they saw you. All in character and in play.
Where are you getting this presumption that it is different to that?