Are you going to buy Zindra land?

We made a small swap but just to have a little more Adult available for clients we will probably buy a 1/4 - 1/2 sim if we can win a decent price at auction. Didn't do my due diligence to realize I could have obtained much more land at no cost in the beginning of the process.

Shame on you. You should have figured that out on your own. Damned if LL was going to actually share the terms and rules with you without you asking.

Yes, the preceding was sarcasm. Sorry you got screwed by a lack of communication by the Evil Evictors.

I am surprised at the lack of respondents to this post actually. But perhaps people are playing things close to the chest, and that's understandable.

Zindra was executed poorly at the non thinking hands of LL, however, I think it falls to SL citizens, once again, to fashion it, mould it, make it what it will become. I'm very curious to see what shakes out over time.

There are those who live by Adult grid activities, and those are still happening, although clandestinely, on mainland, proving that Zindra "didn't work" in this regard.

There are those who have no interest in Adult grid activities, and will remain unaffected.

And then there are those with varied shopping habits who may get bit when the store they wish to shop at is on a Zindra restricted parcel (although I understand that Zindra is now flagged Mature so that won't be an issue for a while).

It's a mess. And once more, it will be up to we who "live" here to clean it up.

I am not likely to "buy" mainland anywhere.

no i'm not buying from LL directly, and no, i'm not renting on zindra either, never will.

I'm sure I'll be buying a smaller parcel over there eventually, but it won't be from a flipper and it won't be anytime soon.

I have found some yellow on the map which, when I looked directly, were not for sale. I presume the map is lagging a bit behind a recent sale? Of course, I don't know how much the plot sold for if that is the case.

But what is with the "Mature" regions on Zindra?

I wanted to until I went there before the builds came in, and even when empty I lagged in every zone I went to.

Now I've adjusted myself to enjoying mature as it works under the new TOS. So no plans just yet.

Unless somebody rezzed a giant yellow megaprim in the sky to game traffic.

The ensuing pattern:

1. Land is listed for 500 USD.

2. Auctions start. Initial price appears normal. But land rushers zip and grab 90% of the auctions. Price it for 500 USD...

3. Tier kicks in. Land rushers gasp, half abandon. LL's goes out to lunch, leaves the phone off the hook.

4. Land stays abandoned. Next Month's tier kicks in. Land rushers gasp. Half of those left abandon.

5. Repeat step 3-4 for the next few months. Finally everything that had gone up for auction is abandoned.

6. This time next year, first abandoned plot goes back up for auction. Sells for 1.5L/sqm. Nobody gives a hoot. Everybody that had wanted to get to Zindra is already on an estate or left SL in frustration or changed business models to mature or PG. Zindra still lags like a turtle caught in a tar pit.

I haven't responded to this thread or the other, before now, because of the rather hostile tone taken.

I bought land. I am in the process of putting up a gallery. I have two other galleries of my real world art up. None of that real world art, unless you really stretch, is adult or erotic. The new gallery I'm putting up is of an adult nature. Original creations.

Wanted to put this gallery up on Zindra instead of mature land elsewhere, or Adult land on an estate, so I could split the two different art subjects. The non-adult, and the adult.

One of my two non-adult galleries is on an estate, other on non-Zindra mainland. So I couldn't put the adult gallery on an estate. Well, I could. I just figured spliting it this way might be of benefit.

Well, I'm somewhat incoherent, I know. Reading the two threads I've read on the subject, and group chat, I feel as if I've accidently and personally caused harm to people, judging by their responses. As if I had somehow personally punched Ray in the groin. Judging by the responses.

So, that might be one of the reasons for few responses. The hostility and angry glares.

You did not get your Zindra land by cheating or lying and you are not trying to flip it for a ridiculous profit. There's nothing you did that would ever seem like a punch in the groin to me.

I have absolutely no issue with anyone buying land in Zindra or setting up an adult business there. I'm just hoping people don't overpay for the land there, or at very least, wait until we see what the auctions do to prices.

Supply and Demand and if someone want's it bad enough they will pay the prices for it. What does it matter if you don't want land up there then stop complaining about the cost of it on Zindra.

Quite the contrary. Not complaining about the price. Hoping they raise it actually and get to sit on it for a while.

Heya Lexxi, it's cool by me, I have not read all the other threads, but I can't see why anyone should have a bad attitude towards people like you who brought the land to use it rather than flip it for cash.
I personaloly have no interest in buying land there, as my mature land does everything I want.
If I were interested I would wait 6 months till the land flippers have given up leeching and the comunity had settled down to actual residents so I could pick what the neigbours were like.

I'm looking forward to seeing your gallery on Zindra and hope you have a big grand opening!

OK I admit to be a forum frequent reader, and not one that posts much, but this is ridiculous. Raymond Figtree, you once were buying up land and reselling it. You could not deal with the pressure so now all you have done is try to wreak havoc on the ones that pay huge tiers to develop and resell land. My momma once told me if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. You could not hack it in the land market so now you spend your days posting these things due to your own inability. All endeavors here on sl including content creation, selling land, etc are not easy. People who buy and sell land and somehow manage to stay afloat are amazing to me. I admire anyone who can create clothing, buildings or anything here that they can sell.
That's all I have to say ATM.

I hacked it just fine. I made money at it and just chose not to do it anymore because of the time drain and the fact that most profits go straight to LL in the form of tier.

Brokers amaze me too considering how high tier is and how LL has done everything in their power to crash the Mainland market. It takes a lot of skill and capital to make it as a land trader. Especially if you don't game the system or are not a bot runner.

I think I was misunderstood here. I was actually just trying to warn people from paying too much for land in Zindra. I only wanted those brokers who lied to get Zindra land to get burned for it, not flippers in general.

But really, who gives a fuck what I have to say? How can I possibly wreak havok on anything or anyone with a couple of posts to a forum barely any resident reads?

All I did was post my opinion. It's the last one I'll post.

hmm
well I have been in my Zindra place for a bit ....
I may want to sell it and move my land to one sim. as I have to parcels in Zindra that are on two different Sims. I would have to sell mine for umm 12L sqM to do the switch.

So yeah mine will go to sale and no I am not a land flipper.

Its not always the case when land is selling either.

However I know there are some of those barons out there. But such awful atlk about land in Zindra is pretty disheartening.

I think Zindra can and will be great. I went through a uggh point about it because I was absorbing what ppl were running with about it.

Its just a wait and see game I guess for now.

I hope not Raymond, there's a big difference between land flipping reselling and what some unscruplious operators do, cheating the system by whatever means. Cheating is cheating.

If I want to complain I will! Having lived through the last great land swindle... swindle as in people buying land and sitting on it, just to try and make a killing of it... I have no sympathy for land flippers. All it does is take needed land out of the market as far as I’m concerned. To me its the same as “middle men” in say the potato market. They provide no service nor add any value to the product. They just leach profits off the masses simply because they can afford to gobble up huge quantities’ of a product from its source then auction it off at higher prices. I’ll neither buy from or sell to land flippers. That’s one reason I abandoned my old mature land instead of putting it on sale at a low price so some land flippers bot could gobble it up. Eventually it will end up at LL auction and might indeed end up in the hands of a land flipper but at least I’ll know I didn’t contribute to the problem.

I hope not, too. You're one of a dwindling number of posters with actual experience in the Mainland market, and one who has been spot-on in most of your predictions. (You're also a nice guy, but just because you're the only one of those left on the Forums doesn't mean you should stop posting. The rest of us need a foil. )

These Zindra land issues are really too complicated for neat positions. For example, I've whined about the current baron-class Zindra landflipper, but in fact the unseemliness of that flipping is subject to a kind of "temporal relativism": it's much nastier now than it may have been when the land-gaining swap happened.

As the migration process went along its tortuous and f*cked-up path, it became evident that some Adult Content creators and providers were not going to be permitted to swap their Mature land, and that the whole process was going to be slow and painful. As that all became apparent, more scrutiny of those getting the swap seemed justified.

But before all that, a very different position was just as valid: LL is screwing every Mature landowner, so everybody with Mature land should try to get a swap. Let LL choke on their new policy, and the hell with this artificial favoritism toward those who just happened to be at the *moment* exercising their rights as Mature landowners to host Adult Content.

Seen in that light, it's understandable that a large Mainland baron should diversify their risk by swapping some Mature inventory for Adult. And it's understandably difficult to view it that way now.

Actually I bounced around the roads of Zindra a bit today and have to say it's surprised me, I thought it would still be a lot worse than it is. There are good looking businesses bordering the roads and it looks pretty good, I didn't see too many eyesores or any for sale signs but I wasn't there for more than 30 minutes.

It's amazing on what some roads can do to bring order to peoples building works.

Although I still did find one minimall built on a corner that for some silly reason surounded itself with megaprim forest backdrops and completely neglected to have a walk in entance on any side including the 2 roads.

No interest in Zindra land here either.

Ray, I hope you stay also. I would rather read 100 Ray threads than a single thread from some others. You actually have something to discuss instead of hot air

Why?

The person who berated you is not the only one who reads your post.

Some of us read them and like them.