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If you're so frustrated and annoyed by every little detail.....why do you bother???

Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
03-19-2009 16:50
From: Mickey Vandeverre
Just want to be clear that I am not defending someone who is "screwing over" other people....nor suggesting that is the way to play the game. Maybe that is a few people's fantasy....not mine :)


I know; just clearing up the ambiguity of the example, is all. :)

From: someone
Even with the extreme example that I gave....would be hard pressed to identify how the restaurant owner is screwing anyone over.


With that specific example, I don't think there is identification with foul play, but with the more general "I'm here for MY fantasy(-ies)" mentality, there is potential for people to use that as justification for it.

From: someone
I'm pretty much with you on the black and white areas of running a business as far as ethics go. Not sure if you and I would agree on the gray areas.


Maybe, but then again, that's why they are called "gray", because it is hard for any number of people to come to a consensus on them.

From: someone
But then....who are you and I to define what is black and white and what is gray, anyway.


Uhh, well, who am I to call the sky blue and the grass green? Who do I have to be? It isn't so much a matter of "defining" black/white, but observing that something just is, and understanding why. As for gray, gray requires both definition and consensus, otherwise, it wouldn't be "gray". So far, I have yet to see much in the arguments in this thread or any that may have spawned it which I would consider "gray". Some may not be as stark as others, but it doesn't take too much effort to see through the "gray" smokescreens that people throw up as a defense and make that observation for themselves.

From: someone
It's probably the attempt to "define" something here, that I fight for.....and play devil's advocate for....once you start doing that....you start taking away some freedoms that people come here to enjoy.


Some "freedoms" I am more than happy to take away (or request taken away, if I am not the grantor) from people, because said freedoms weren't theirs to begin with. Freedom comes at the price of responsible exercise of said freedom. If you can't exercise it responsibly, then you should lose it. Period.
Limonella Sorbet
Registered User
Join date: 31 May 2008
Posts: 219
03-19-2009 18:13
From: Argent Stonecutter
There was a young woman named Melanie
Who was asked by a man "do you sell any"
She said, "No siree!
I give it for free
For to sell it you see is a felony."


/me applauds

To the cranky OP: Simple. If people do not care about something they do not take pains to try to make it better.

If you do not see how pointing out flaws in a system can lead to improvements, I can't help you.
Mickey Vandeverre
See you Inworld
Join date: 7 Dec 2006
Posts: 2,542
03-19-2009 18:28
From: Limonella Sorbet
/me applauds

To the cranky OP: Simple. If people do not care about something they do not take pains to try to make it better.

If you do not see how pointing out flaws in a system can lead to improvements, I can't help you.


I wasn't cranky when I started :)

I'm afraid that most of my original questions and points have now been lost, perhaps as a result of me not making them clearly.

Yes, I can see how wanting to point out flaws that are viewed as flaws by an overwhelming majority can lead to improvements.....but that's not where my head was when asking the original questions.
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