Flying Your Space Craft In Sl

Everyone keeps mentioning this. There are several protected water sims in the center of the new continent.

quote - Everyone keeps mentioning this. There are several protected water sims in the center of the new continent.

Right its charge up the fusion motors then and off to explore.

errrmm should I pack sandwiches ??

I think the biggest problem is that they do. There are open sims that you can fly your spacecraft around in, or your boat or anything else.

The problem comes when people start talking about taking away privileges that people pay for.

It's not whether it's harmless or being neighborly or unsocial or any of that.

It's about the agreement that the landowners have with Linden Labs. It's about others, usually non-paying folks (not saying that you are) that demand that they be allowed to use the space that other people are paying for.

There are areas provided for flying and boating etc. Why do people keep insisting that private land be part of that?

and tea. *nods*

...and a towel.

Why do you need a ban line that goes all the way up ??

Havent you ever hit a ban line and crashed because of it ?

Incidentally if anyone has a good ship they want to show off theyre more than welcome to IM me and have a look around my little bit of SL to. Same applies if you want to see any of the ships someone described as 'primmy bits of rubbish' to.

By the way where are those questions you were so insistent I answer ? In between calling me a flamer and generally insulting me.

Incidentally, I think "Primmy Bits of Rubbish" would be an excellent name for a business.

Quick copyright it before someone else gets the idea...and dont forget to stock anti matter pods for a 24th century space shuttle.

The point of this whole conversation is whether you have the right to ban the entire SL population from your land above the ban line limit. I contend you do not, or there would be no ban height limit in the first place. They did not code this limit because they just thought it would be "fun to do". You have the right to ban SPECIFIC people above that line. Not the entire population.

Now that being said, most would probably tolerate being ejected from the land as a simple annoyance. However, llTeleportHome is particularly intrusive. You claim property rights. So be it. You can ban me from your land. But why should you have the right to go beyond ejecting me from your land and forcing me back to my home point? THAT is what makes it wrong. And that is why llTeleportHome needs to be eliminated from the LSL language.

I so want to add 'so there' to that one starbuck

One more thought about the use of security orbs by land owners. I would love to have the option in a security device for it to only activate when I am on my parcel or the very least to go into a low priority mode when I am away from it. If I am in world it could send me a message telling me who is in my restricted space and then let me decide what action, if any, it should take.

Hope some security scripters are seeing this request/suggestion.

So it's not actually against the rules to use it, yes?

Wouldn't that make it not an AR-able offence?


If we're talking about "Flying Rights", and the fact that the owner has no rights, as you allege, above the banline limit, wouldn't that include not being allowed to build above that height, so as to allow flyers free access? If people want free access across the grid, why not push for "No building above the banline limit"? Surely a bloody great building will impede their freedom to go wherever they want, no?

Also, this gets into the "Do what you like on your own land" thing. Where is the limit? When does an outside person get a say? Who defines "abuse"?What's the acceptable warning? Is it 30 seconds? 15? Is there somewhere to look up these rules?

You say "But why should you have the right to go beyond ejecting me from your land and forcing me back to my home point? THAT is what makes it wrong."
Why not? Why shoulld you have the right to tell someone what they can and can't do on their land. I understand that we haven't verified whether or not the owner has landrights "all the way to the moon", but you are contending that llTeleportHome is wrong in any circumstances. I strongly disagree.
As long as someone is following the rules, as set out by Linden Labs, on their land, why do you...

You know what? Never mind. You're of the opinion that you should have a say in what other people can and can't do on their land. Nothing I'm going to say is going to change your mind. I give up.

You keep saying "on their land." You know everybody else is talking above what can be done "over their land", right?

No, I'm just working on a different assumption than you are.

You assume that, because banlines only go so high, that landowner rights end there.
I disagree with that and assume, as all my other rights go higher, that the ones in question do as well and will continue to believe so until Linden Labs tell me different.

I couldn't imagine taking a 1,000 prim nonphys-flight spaceship across the maingrid. A physics 30-primmer is hard enough as it is. o.O

You're still thinking that anybody but the Lindens really have a say in the matter. They're the ones who limit ban lines to 50m..

Huh?

I thought I said "until Linden Labs tells me different"

Limiting banlines is not the same thing as limiting landowner rights.

I may be mistaken, but they haven't said that a landowner may not put security systems over the banline limit. I'm not even sure that they've said that landowner rights only go up to the banline limit. If they have, would you be so kind as to post the links?

If not, your position is simply your opinion and an assumption.

Well it would solve a lot of problems, Islands might as well be in another dimension because you can't get to them any way other than releport . It would be fun to lonk the contenents , perhaps a bremuda triangle or some pirate hangouts in between somewhere.

SECOND LIFE, Your world , Your imagination....................
Just don't imagine anything big, anything with wheels, anything that flies or walking any further than 256m.

Quote - 'couldn't imagine taking a 1,000 prim nonphys-flight spaceship across the maingrid. A physics 30-primmer is hard enough as it is. o.O'

Flying it four squares can be difficult...its fun using the self destruct and getting out in the last seconds before the explosion in the TARDIS though

This question, and the desire to use security systems to TP-Home people that use vehicles is moot.

Why?

World >>> About Land >>> Options tab >>> Uncheck Allow Object Entry.

There. No more vehicles, or any other prim, and no lost/corrupted vehicles, and no more TP-Home avatars just out looking to explore SL. No need for ban line movement, no need for security systems (at least not for this facet of SL).

Every landowner has the right to do as he/she wishes with their land, but I still say the landowners (and I am one) also have the responsibility to know how to do what they want in an adult mannor and one that is accepted by society, or at least the majority of society.

That also goes for the explorers. By not flying too close to buildings to give landowners a reasonable privacy (not such thing in SL really, but we all can fake it), and to not litter vehicles and other prims about. The later they can't do if TPed-Home. Flying at 50m+ altitude should be expected. Even in RL you don't fly NOE.

The talk about "rights" is bullsh** on BOTH sides.

It's not about "rights" it's about what IS right.

Being an ass in a spaceship and buzzing people on a parcel that are trying to enjoy their own Second Life is wrong.

Being an ass and indescriminatly TP-Home anyone and everything with too little, or no warning is wrong.

What is ~right~ is being nice to each other. Landowners allowing people to "pass through" within guidlines that work with their parcels and ideals. Does a ship flying by at 200m really hurt a damn thing? And for explorers to respect that every landowner has the right to be in SL as much as they do, that they pay tier and DO own the land. Does flying at 50m+ really hurt the fun of flying over SL?

Ya'll can argue over who's right and who's wrong, but it's not needed. All everyone has to do is act NICE. And, in my not so humble opionin, if you can't act nice, then I don't want you in my Second Life. I can't speak for everyone in SL, but I'm betting the majority share that same thought.

Now...let's all play nice.

~Jessy

P.S. @Felix, I wasn't ranting agasint you, so you know. I only used your question as a stepping off point to get mine across ^.~

Its not as if I want to blast anyone with my ships fearsome array of weaponry...

having somewhere to test it out and see it work would be nice though

Ah, ignore him, Mael. He's a misanthrope...hard to see why anyone like that would come to SL, a place noted for social interaction...but there it is.

You can overfly my island any time...of course, you'd better do it in a smaller craft, as my little 8192 parcel would probably fit inside your big cruiser. I just want to see some UFO come floating by, and a guy in a silver suit jump out to offer me a lift to Mars. I'll wear my form-fitting 1950's-Damsel-Captured-By-Aliens-For-Immoral-Purposes spacesuit for ya!

wooooooooooooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!


IM me when Im next on, rolling restarts, lunatic ISPs, ice ages and klingons permitting and I'll show you my smaller ships.

Girls LOVE the TARDIS

Interesting. I acknowledged that you have the right to do as you wish on your land with respect to access. But why should you have the right to decide where to send me when booting me OFF your land? That is the crux of my question. Ejecting just removes me from your land. It does not interfere with my continued progress other than having to work around your false sense of security.

TeleportHome on the other hand is an attack on me. It goes beyond protecting your land and forces me to have to restart where I was, and if I was traveling in a vehicle, will probably leave remnants all over yours or your neighbor's property that I can't even clean up.

TeleportHome NEEDS to be eliminated. Period.

Of course they do. Look what it did for Tom Baker!

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