Flying Your Space Craft In Sl

I don't agree. LL allows people to set their land, which I agree is about as "theirs" as something online can be, to be access-only and keep everybody out except those explicitly allowed in.

But LL declared that these limits only go to 50m above ground. How is it a strawman to say that LL seems to think that your ownership of "land" doesn't include the entire sky?


Err.. It's at 50m now.

Err.. It's at 50m now.

A straw man is when you attribute an argument to your opponent that they didn't make.

I don't recall anyone saying they own all the way to the moon.

Here's a thought for yez.

Banlines only go to a certain height, yes. But can the rest of the stuff an owner can do go higher? No build? Does that stop at 250? Lets say you chuck a platform up and throw it up to well over the banlines and start building over someone's land. If they hit the land tools, do your prims show up there? If they hit "Return" or "Delete", do your prims go back to you or go away? I'm thinking yes.

Ergo, land "rights" go one heck of a lot higher than the banlines.

If people started building skyscrapers that people would have to fly around, would you recommend that they not be allowed to do this?

I went over to Cavanaugh with my Spifire and flew around the water sims for some time, then ventured over the land and found I had no problems at all as long as I was high enough (see some of the posts above). It was only when I went down south that I bumped (literally) into trouble. Despite finally getting the boot it's a great place for a flight. I went over to the Heliport at Kailua Island shortly after to check out potential buys..got my eye on a nice little corporate jet or maybe something bigger..now that I've found somewhere to fly it.

Sorry - misunderstanding. I was going by the dictionary definition of "a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted" which I didn't think applied.

Only because you can't actually go all the way to the moon. If you could, people would whine about the possibility of somebody spending 10 seconds passing 400km over their house when they weren't even there.

Now you're talking about making changes on somebody elses land. I think we're talking about the 'right' to pass over somebody's land if they have not explicitly banned you. Regardless of what you (or I) think, LL says you can.


There's a lot of interesting areas about and, yes, you can usually stay out of trouble if you keep up the altitude. I've been doing a lot of flying around SL lately in a balloon I've built & scripted - it's not uncommon to cross 50 sims before it explodes.

It is not the command that is abusive it is the misuse of it that is abusive. There are many things that the scripting language CAN do that if misused are abusive. Use of llTeleportHome to circumvent the restriction on general ban altitude is one of them IMO.

REALLY! wow interesting...even more confirmation of its intent I think.

The greenies home is one fun place for both land and air vehicles. It is a kitchen scaled up to fill an entire sim and I often see blimps there. Your space ship would fit right in. Also you can ride in a greenies flying saucer there, get in one the upper level and fly down to the kitchen.

This is funny, I reckon this guy would shoot at satillites and planes passing over his RL land if he could. Virtual rednecking is still going strong
My precious, My precious prims, hobbitsees want my prims they do.........

Keep bringing the alts in.

No, I don't "dig". *shrugs*

The OP was talking about Linden Lab (no the parcel owners) doing somethign about when a parcel is full on prims. I would hypothenise that meant changing the infanstructure of the SL engine as it relates to counting prims, specifically vehicles.

Yes, the OP did mention ban lines, however, a few posts into the thread and you will notcie that he/she was simply unaware that they only extended to 50m above ground level. Most fliers (myself included) love to fly over SL to be able to SEE the builds others have made. Part of the joy of flying is to see all of SL (or as much as we can). Sure we can go up to avoid them, but then things don't get rendered.

For me, more than lowering, or removing banlines, what I would like to see is for LL to implement an option on the mini-map to highlight banned parcels in red. Obviously, this would NOT include personal named bans (wherein the flier was banned by adding their name to the ban list), but only to parcels that had access restricted. This would allow fliers (either in vehicles, or simply flying per the SL ability) to avoid running afoul of these banlines. Esspecially, as the OP stated, when crossing sim-boarders where the banlines do not render due to SL limitations.

So no, the OP was not telling anyone what they can, and can not do. He/she was talking about what would be nice to have, and asking how to get around the current problems.

Dig? ^.~

~Jessy

PS, btw, the Community did tell you to lower your ban lines. That's why access ban lines are now only at 50m. They used to be higher (300m I think). Due to the majority outlook of the Community, LL lowered this to 50m. So actually, having banning above that area ~would~ be anti-social as society has already spoken.

The real problem, and I should search JIRA to make sure it's been reported, is that crossing into a full parcel doesn't behave the same way.

If you go from one sim to another and the sim you're going to has a full parcel right at the spot where you enter the sim, there's a chance that your vehicle will get returned to you. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. I think it's got to do with sims having to transfer all the info about the vehicle and the people in them when you cross a sim line - maybe the bit that says "Oi! Just passing thru! Don't return me!!" doesn't make it in time.

When this happens, it's pretty ugly for the passengers.

All I initially suggested was that the height of ban lines would be limited so that any aircraft or space craft could fly straight over...I dont want to litter bits of space ship or drop bombs or anything else. I also suggested a large area be kept open for anyone with any sort of fast or large vehicle to use. Unfortunately my initially fun post - which was also aimed at making a useful suggestion and putting forward a few fun ideas was pounced on and ruined by someone who had to start shouting off his mouth about bans and decrying the workmanship of one of SLs finest craftsmen. Of course this was bolstered by a sidekick who chose to see me as the 'flamer' rather than simply responding to an uncalled for attack. Anyone can ban me but the minute they come boasting about it in a thread theyre not going to get the friendliest of responses.

Of course some people choose to see what they want to see.

The funniest bit was where the person who began the attack decided to report me to the mods. Typical really.

I just want to get this llTeleportHome thing straight.

Is it against the rules of SL to use it above the banline limit on your own land?
If someone has a skybox workshop, lets say they're working on something they'd rather keep private from competitors, are you saying that using a security system that uses llTeleportHome is against the rules? That it's an ARable offence?



Maelstrom,

I notice you still haven't addressed my points, nor the actual points that Banking brought up.

I didnt realised I was obliged to answer any points especially if they were phrased as part of an attack on me personally. However phrase them in question form again and I'll be happy to plod through them.

Probably while doing my sl vat returns.

Peep the past couple of pages... Skim over the flamewar.

There's a whole conversation about land owner's "rights" and the "rights" of others.

I also recommend checking out the multitude of other threads on this subject.

planit sim city!

Nope. It's legal.

However, LL does have rules about "over active" security systems.

By their rules, there should be a reasonable warning, allowing time to recognise the warning and depart without getting TPed home. Also, but not specifically stated, there is the implied concept of not having security systems running when the owner (or users) is not in that area.

The basic ideal of the loosely worded "rules" about security systems translates to "Don't be an ass."

~Jessy

So, I guess my next question would be, "Who gets to define 'ass'?"

As for the implied rule, does that mean that people should have to turn off their security systems when not online?

The Linden who reviews any ARs summited by those who run afoul of said security system.



Yes. Though in your example above with protecting builds from competitors, it would be reasonable to leave such running while offline for a time. I'd still advise against it, as with Disable Camera Restraints, unless you own a private island, you can't stop people from camming in.

If you truely want to keep things private, you don't call attention to them with big blocking walls and hyper-active security systems. You just make the "Purloined Letter" and put up a nicely made skybox that you can see anywhere in SL, and build. The more you try tolock it up, the more they'll try to look past it.

~Jessy

Incidentally I wonder how many other SL users crash out of SL because they accidentally hit a ban line or because someones security orb boots them off. Griefers get banned for doing the same thing with their toys dont they ?

As a landowner that pays about $135.00 per month, I have to completely disagree with those that say they have a right to do as they please on my land. My land controls extend from the ground to "the moon" so yes LL has given me control of that air space for the money I pay.

I do allow people to freely enter my land, roam around and enjoy. They do not get the privelage of building until I know them either. I also have a security orb for my skybox which is my sanctuary and a place I decide who is allowed to be there. Not you, not the freebie account, no one but me. My security system does give a 20 second warning that they have entered restricted airspace. Anyone sent home by the system apparently was too busy snooping to use the ample time to get out of range.

I promise you that when push comes to shove.. the paying customer that made the hundreds of dollars in investment and pays the expensive tier monthly will win against any AR about a security device on their land. So go ahead and waste your time if it will make you feel better, but don't be surprised when those ARs fall on deaf ears and you get a canned resolved message with no action taken against the landowner.

I do wonder though once a parcel is marked 'Restricted' with the new IDV, how far up the ban will extend.

Also if a thin parcel was created bordering the main parcel and filled to it's prim limit, would that stop vehicles that aren't attatched from entering at any altitude?

**edit**
I asked the last question just out of curiosity. I would never waste my prims doing that. That would just be crazy!

I certainly never said that anyone should have the right to do anything on your land... but why should you be able to stop anyone passing harmless overhead... ?

You can set you land to ban troublemakers and return unwanted junk so why use something which can deliberately crash innocent users out of sl all together or leave their avvy in such a condition that they need to relog ?

Griefers would be banned for doing the same thing and I bet there are some of them who think that because they pay x number of dollars they have the right to do that.

However leaving a very large area at the centre of linden world free for vehicle users would to some degree alleviate my desire (and obviously other peoples judging by the responses in this thread) to be free to use vehicles Ive spent a lot of money on too although I wouldnt claim any right because of my outlay.

Im sure though someone who like sitting in behind their ban barrier will soon come up with the argument that they dont pay their tier to support the games of boy racers in sl...

I have no objections to that. LL should supply ample void sims for boating and flying for those that aren't fortunate enough to own their own land for such activities.

Agreed Felix well said

It would be really cool if they connected the continents with void sims actually. Of course that will never happen, but would still be cool.