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would u consider quitting second life if performance doesnt improve?

Jumpman Lane
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10-11-2009 00:50
From: Dana Hickman
If I had to guess based on what's quoted above, I'd say it *might* be your virtual memory settings. Try setting it manually to 3Gb (around 3000 Mb) minimum size, and 6Gb maximum size. If your framerate tanks after being logged in for hours and hours (when it WAS running just fine), raise the maximum a bit.

Windows can struggle with the page file if it's set to auto and the file gets too large (it has to read all of it in order to read/write to it). Likewise, if it's set manually and the max size is too small, you'll be lagging while writing to the harddrive all the time. Using a fixed-size file (so windows doesnt try to resize it all the time), with a higher minimum size, and a maximum size just larger than you would ever use (in one runtime session) is the optimum setting for performance, while being less work for windows than using auto.

hey thanx dana i'll try that because i changed that setting not so long ago some scanning crap suggested i do so, oh i checked it and that is what its set at 3070 and 6000 max im raising it
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Jumpman Lane
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10-11-2009 00:51
From: Argent Stonecutter
Oh, I thought this was something that had started happening on an existing system. If it's a new computer and you're not running the OS it came with it's pretty common to need to play musical drivers for a while.

oh ive fiddled with all the drivers, ur actually right, moitor wasnt quite right
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-11-2009 04:21
From: Dana Hickman

Windows can struggle with the page file if it's set to auto and the file gets too large (it has to read all of it in order to read/write to it).
What do you mean by this? It's a page file. Nothing gets read from it unless it's written to it.

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Likewise, if it's set manually and the max size is too small, you'll be lagging while writing to the harddrive all the time.
If your page file size is too small, operations will fail because Windows has no place TO write to the hard drive.

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Using a fixed-size file (so windows doesnt try to resize it all the time), with a higher minimum size, and a maximum size just larger than you would ever use (in one runtime session) is the optimum setting for performance, while being less work for windows than using auto.
Unless you set minimum and maximum to the same value, Windows is free to resize it within those limits. There's no difference between Windows resizing it when you've manually set a range and Windows resizing it when it's used whatever heuristics it uses in "auto" to decide on a size.
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Jumpman Lane
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10-11-2009 05:09
From: Argent Stonecutter
What do you mean by this? It's a page file. Nothing gets read from it unless it's written to it.

If your page file size is too small, operations will fail because Windows has no place TO write to the hard drive.

Unless you set minimum and maximum to the same value, Windows is free to resize it within those limits. There's no difference between Windows resizing it when you've manually set a range and Windows resizing it when it's used whatever heuristics it uses in "auto" to decide on a size.

best to set both min and max higher than u ever use because most everthing is written to a a virtual mem address then a ram one, windows expanding it pauses you midapplication for a prompt to expand it only thing u lose is hd space by being too high
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Ann Otoole
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10-11-2009 05:52
If your computer is chugging on a page file then perhaps you need to buy a new one with up to date video and multi core CPU with 4GB RAM and a 64 bit operating system. Keep that old one long enough in SL and you will find out what ozone smells like. I have fried one dual SLI (nvidia 6800 pros) and two notebooks on SL. I think the best rule of thumb is to buy a new one every other year unless you are happily wealthy in which case every year. But keep in mind the supposed best is not always the greatest. I hear some alienware units are not compatible with SL.
Virlea Laminsk
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10-12-2009 23:26
Not leavin SL, but i hope it gets better...Lag wise. Love the emerald viewer <3
wrable Amat
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10-13-2009 04:55
I do not think I leave,I understand this is a program with ever changing data base to reference off.Its is users for the most part are free users.It is not magic land ,it's just a program.
I own land,I have paid for accounts and yes in the past when i was new I made some really crazy support tickets.
When it comes down to it,I suck at golf and watching TV is not a hobby.
DanielRavenNest Noe
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10-16-2009 19:26
From: Scylla Rhiadra

That's a serious question, btw. Does anyone have a clearer sense of how "open" Blue Mars is likely to be to, just to name the most obvious thing, the sort of "adult" content still permitted in SL?


I just signed up as a city developer for Blue Mars, and the paperwork prohibits "obscene" material. Note that there is a difference between adult and obscene. Under USA law (where both Linden Labs and Avatar Reality are located), adult content is legal, obscene is not.

As far as setting up shop, it was pretty easy to get the software development kit, I just had to sign a non-disclosure agreement. City developer would be equivalent to SL large estate owner. The blank city I just made is 2kmx2km, or equal to 64 SL map regions.
Melita Magic
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10-16-2009 19:29
To be totally forthright - those times I've thought about quitting, which have not been just a few, it's been because of people.

If LL could improve anything it would need two things

1. Centralisation

2. Infra structure

There is no place to go when you want to go there. Know what I mean?
DanielRavenNest Noe
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10-16-2009 20:01
From: Scylla Rhiadra
I'm sure you are right, but it's only in Beta right now, correct? I was thinking more about projected content, from National Geographic, the Smithsonian, NASA, etc. . . .


Blue Mars is in early beta, or even alpha. They have not even released the avatar meshes yet to content developers. Second life is in late beta :-)

While a few big name folks will be setting up displays, a lot of the people I have met online and in the forums for Blue Mars are already involved with Second Life.

Heres my album from the last few weeks as I have learned the tools to build over there:

http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/members/danielravennest/albums/

The main difference is all the content creation is done offline, and then uploaded to their system once its finished. But if you can create stuff for SL, I think you can learn to create stuff for BM. And I plan on offering upload and conversion help, so existing SL users wont even have to sign up as a developer.

Once the content pipeline is open, there will be a flood of stuff coming over.
DanielRavenNest Noe
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10-16-2009 20:12
From: Meade Paravane
I think that depends a lot on how open their 'registered developer' program is.

If it's strict, BM will die a slow, boring death. If it's pretty open, it may end up doing well.


It's as open as a cheap whore's twat LOL. I'm now registered as a city developer, the highest level (equivalent to SL large estate owner). I just had to fill out a non-disclosure agreement not to redistribute their developers kit. No fees, took about a day. I've already set up a blank "city" on my home PC:

http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/members/danielravennest/albums/
Scylla Rhiadra
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10-16-2009 20:15
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
I just signed up as a city developer for Blue Mars, and the paperwork prohibits "obscene" material. Note that there is a difference between adult and obscene. Under USA law (where both Linden Labs and Avatar Reality are located), adult content is legal, obscene is not.

Interesting distinction, and one I should probably look in to.

In SL, certainly, there are also of course different "genres" of content (for want of a better word), as well as "classifications." There is, for instance, the static graphic material (which in an adult context translates to standard porn), there is interactive content (like animations), and then there are "behaviours." By the latter I mean things like, but not exclusively, RP.

I can see BM being able to handle with fair ease an art gallery, for instance, featuring "adult" art. But it would be interesting to know what their action plan is for dealing with the first Gorean sim, or strip club for that matter, to go into the new world.
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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10-16-2009 20:27
From: Scylla Rhiadra

I can see BM being able to handle with fair ease an art gallery, for instance, featuring "adult" art. But it would be interesting to know what their action plan is for dealing with the first Gorean sim, or strip club for that matter, to go into the new world.


If someone does not beat me to it, I plan to open the first Blue Mars strip club LOL. Ill let you know how it goes. What I need is to get dance pole animations and nude avatar skins, neither of which are ready yet. A building, chairs, and stage are easy.

Oh, and we would need a money system, which is not ready in BM yet.

By the way, non-adult artists are already creating things for Blue Mars:

http://www.bluemarsdev.com/gettingstarted/artcompetition.html
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