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Marcel Flatley
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03-07-2008 13:17
From: Snark Serpentine
Agreed. There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures ...and the Dutch.

Anyone knowing our culture would in fact :D :D :D
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Trout Recreant
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03-07-2008 13:26
From: Snark Serpentine
Your post is the hilarious inverse of Trout Recreant's argument that his last name sounded misleading and should be changed.

Totally agreed with you on how we're stuck pandering to the emotionally weak and hypersensitive.

You forgot to mention the bit where black folks are still enslaved and getting tossed to alligators.

I think I'll copy that post down, it's like a traffic accident.


Did you just call me emotionally weak and hypersensitive? LOL! WTF? I didn't even post in this thread! All I said in the other one was that I didn't know what my last name meant when I chose it and I would not have chosen it if I had known. It irritates me, but I'm not weeping about it. Everything after that was just goofiness and messing around making jokes. Maybe I misread your post. If so, I apologize.
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Saii Hallard
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03-07-2008 13:27
From: Cherry Czervik
Do you understand what fascism is? Sorry but this is rubbish.

Anything fascist gets banned alright. Sheesh.


:P read it in context... it was meant sarcastic

And yep, I know fascism, it's the sole reason i started this thread. But as I read the answers, it seems people forget that millions have fought and died to stop fascism.
Freedom of speech is more important then killing fascism at it roots, seems the general opinion. .... Its sad.
Colette Meiji
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03-07-2008 13:31
From: Saii Hallard

Freedom of speech is more important then killing fascism at it roots, seems the general opinion. .... Its sad.


Actually, freedom of speech is one of the best protections against Fascism.
Snark Serpentine
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03-07-2008 13:40
From: Trout Recreant
Did you just call me emotionally weak and hypersensitive? LOL! WTF? I didn't even post in this thread! All I said in the other one was that I didn't know what my last name meant when I chose it and I would not have chosen it if I had known. It irritates me, but I'm not weeping about it. Everything after that was just goofiness and messing around making jokes. Maybe I misread your post. If so, I apologize.

Whoops! Yeah, bad segue on my part: just comparing this situation, where a positive term (in philosophy) is mistaken for awful PC-speak, to your thread, where you thought a strongly negative word meant something else entirely. I fast added the second bit to respond to his subsequent post.
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03-07-2008 13:46
From: Trout Recreant
Did you just call me emotionally weak and hypersensitive? LOL! WTF? I didn't even post in this thread! All I said in the other one was that I didn't know what my last name meant when I chose it and I would not have chosen it if I had known. It irritates me, but I'm not weeping about it. Everything after that was just goofiness and messing around making jokes. Maybe I misread your post. If so, I apologize.





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Trout Recreant
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03-07-2008 13:50
From: Snark Serpentine
Whoops! Yeah, bad segue on my part: just comparing this situation, where a positive term (in philosophy) is mistaken for awful PC-speak, to your thread, where you thought a strongly negative word meant something else entirely. I fast added the second bit to respond to his subsequent post.


Gotcha. No prob, then.

I guess I should try to stay on topic - I really don't care what one a-hole says. The guy that's being discussed here is a dick, but there are millions and millions of Americans, and most of them are pretty nice people, so it's unfair to judge a nation based on guys like this who are not in the majority. Should he be allowed to say what he wants? I guess, but that doesn't mean I have to respect him or give what he says any credibility. I don't see any legitimate political argument there, just an attempt to be hurtful and act like an ass. Hell with him. There's too many good people in Sl to waste time on guys like that.
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Har Fairweather
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03-07-2008 14:29
From: Max Herzog
Christ on a bike, I'm not getting the time I spent reading that back, am I? :(


That's what you get for reading more than the first couple of paragraphs.
Saii Hallard
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03-07-2008 14:50
From: poopmaster Oh
This RR person has stores that sell shirts and stuff with allmost every REAL LIFE music band logo's on them (Metellica Guns n Roses SlipKnot etc). if LL doesnt care about this blatent copyright infringment (That has been going on WELL OVER 2 years and made him enuf money to buy 2 islands from LL) why would they care about his Racist views.

RR is quite a funny person really, just get to know him a bit :) but i must say it is alot of fun to watch him get people riled up all the time, he is a endless source of entertainment...


I'd like to know if I would make you my target of slander, make racist remarks, tell dirty stuff about your mother, how incredible unintelligent you are and what not, if you still think it was much entertaining. And i'm very sure i could find something to rile you up.

But the thing is, if you take pleasure in such things, what are you then?

I think a lot of things are funny, but a racist prick is far from funny imo.
Chris Norse
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03-07-2008 15:05
From: Saii Hallard
:P read it in context... it was meant sarcastic

And yep, I know fascism, it's the sole reason i started this thread. But as I read the answers, it seems people forget that millions have fought and died to stop fascism.
Freedom of speech is more important then killing fascism at it roots, seems the general opinion. .... Its sad.


Saii, you never did answer my question. So I will rephrase it. Why stop with fascism? Collectivism of all stripes is murderous. Surely you want to stamp out all forms of collectivism? Or are you not concerned with the millions murdered by the Communists in the last century?
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Colette Meiji
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03-07-2008 15:14
From: Chris Norse
Saii, you never did answer my question. So I will rephrase it. Why stop with fascism? Collectivism of all stripes is murderous. Surely you want to stamp out all forms of collectivism? Or are you not concerned with the millions murdered by the Communists in the last century?


Really its totalitarianism thats the problem rather than ideology,

Any ideology is capable of brutal excesses if those that hold power are left unchecked.

Freedom of speech and guaranteed political enfranchisement is the key, not whether someone believes in Capitalism or not.

From: someone

I helped make Mexico safe for American oil interests in 1914.

I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenue in.

I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers. . . .

I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916.

I helped make Honduras 'right' for American fruit companies in 1903.

Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints.

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03-07-2008 15:42
From: Cherry Czervik
AMEN SISTER!!


Here here!

/me mutters - "the're all foreigners - the whole lot of 'em".
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Ray Musketeer
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03-07-2008 15:51
By reacting as a victim you keep the game going.

Love the ignorant they are signposts clearly showing what you wish not to become , encourage them to to be as outfront as possible (eliminates the need to find out the hard way, lol )

Mute the guy, if you can't or have no wish for the verbage. Lindens provided a palette, if they now are thought police we toons might have to start visiting "ACME" and get our boxing glove guns loaded :-).
Cherry Czervik
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03-07-2008 16:32
From: Deira Llanfair
Here here!

/me mutters - "the're all foreigners - the whole lot of 'em".

/me waits for the humour lapsers to find this one Deira!
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03-07-2008 16:53
From: Saii Hallard

I think a lot of things are funny, but a racist prick is far from funny imo.



Alazarin Mondrian
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03-07-2008 16:54
From: Saii Hallard
But the thing is, if you take pleasure in such things, what are you then?.


Not necessarily a racist but most certainly a narrow-minded bigot. Which is what the person the OP alludes to [this RR character whoever he is] most certainly is. And most likely a wind-up artist into the bargain. Yes, such people may seem funny, etc., for a short while. They love to dish it out but just can't take it when the same mentality is directed at them. Pathetic creatures really.
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Susie Boffin
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03-07-2008 19:01
Being anti-American is not racism. Citizens of the US of A represent every race on Earth.

I wish people would not confuse racism with being against a particular country.

Racism is not even close to hating Americans or the Dutch or whoever.

The last time I heard Americans and the Dutch are not a race nor are the Australians.
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Colette Meiji
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03-07-2008 19:05
From: Susie Boffin
Being anti-American is not racism. Citizens of the US of A represent every race on Earth.


Think the guy described is pro-American, Anti "Foreigner"

Though why someone would be against Foreigner I don't know,

Maybe they just didn't like 70's music.
Susie Boffin
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03-07-2008 19:11
From: Colette Meiji
Think the guy described is pro-American, Anti "Foreigner"

Though why someone would be against Foreigner I don't know,

Maybe they just didn't like 70's music.


Whatever. :)

I need to learn to read posts before sounding off.

How could someone not like 1970's music? That one is way beyond me.
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Colette Meiji
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03-07-2008 19:14
From: Susie Boffin
Whatever. :)

I need to learn to read posts being sounding off.

How could someone not like 1970's music? That one is way beyond me.


9 in 10 Mother's Basement dwellers do not like 70's music.
Tod69 Talamasca
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03-07-2008 20:48
From: Colette Meiji
9 in 10 Mother's Basement dwellers do not like 70's music.


Yea, I noticed.

Lets hear it for ABBA!!! WOOOOT!!! :D

/me starts singing Dancing Queen
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Susie Boffin
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03-07-2008 21:08
From: Tod69 Talamasca
Yea, I noticed.

Lets hear it for ABBA!!! WOOOOT!!! :D

/me starts singing Dancing Queen


Abba was a good pop group from the 1970's but I was referring to the 1965 to early 1970s rock groups such as Jimi, Janis, Country Joe, CSN, blah blah.
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Monalisa Robbiani
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03-07-2008 21:11
That's probably mentoring 101 what you learn in your first day at the infohub:

1. Mute
2. Teach others how to mute

If noone listens, who cares what he says?

3. If you witness an attack on a person, be it with words or actions, file an AR. Teach others to file an AR. The more ARs are being filed, the faster it will be dealt with.

Finally:

4. Never EVER! be tempted to get into an argument about RL politics or religion or anything sensitive like that. SL is not the place for that. Go to the usenet or some readers' comments site of a newspaper.

Sadly starting an argument about YOUR political views is exactly what you did now by posting here, @OP, which means you satisfied this person's wish to provoke a reaction from you, and that was the biggest mistake of them all.
Senga Tsarchon
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03-08-2008 00:07
From: Saii Hallard
:P read it in context... it was meant sarcastic

And yep, I know fascism, it's the sole reason i started this thread. But as I read the answers, it seems people forget that millions have fought and died to stop fascism.
Freedom of speech is more important then killing fascism at it roots, seems the general opinion. .... Its sad.

Fascism is at it's heart the desire to destroy the hated Other. It comes in all colors, creeds and nationalities.

But that's beside the point for me.

For me, the point is this, from the Terms of Service: "In addition to abiding at all times by the Community Standards, you agree that you shall not: ... (iv) take any action or upload, post, e-mail or otherwise transmit Content as determined by Linden Lab at its sole discretion that is harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, causes tort, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;"

A person chose to exercise his right to free speech. The person he spoke to found this speech offensive under the Terms of Service. The OP elected to AR the speaker.

How is it wrong to object to the objectionable? The people who log into Second Life are human beings. They are just as human here as they are anywhere else. They have the RIGHT to be offended. They have the right to object to the objectionable.

It doesn't matter if you think they shouldn't be offended. It doesn't matter if their decision to use the system LL put in place goes against your personal Politics of Fun. Two different people exercised their rights, freely. We like freedom, don't we?

Some might say that objecting to the rude speech the OP complained about is being judgmental. What's wrong with that? Paramecia have to exercise judgment, and we've got a lot more cells.

No one interfered with the offender's speech. They just asked that he face the consequences of his actions. It's like the Russian proverb:

"God says, take what you want. And pay for it."
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03-08-2008 00:39
From: Senga Tsarchon
Some might say that objecting to the rude speech the OP complained about is being judgmental. What's wrong with that? Paramecia have to exercise judgment, and we've got a lot more cells.

No one interfered with the offender's speech. They just asked that he face the consequences of his actions. It's like the Russian proverb:

"God says, take what you want. And pay for it."


Personally I just said his remarks were xenophobic as opposed to racist on the basis of the sample posted <shrugs>. Your argument above, and that of some others, is germane. However, mainly, 503 prevented me from replying earlier to the OP who has had to retreat to some ill grammared backpeddling on subject.

News for you folks. There are bigoted, miserable, dim witted and inversely proportionately loud mouthed people in SL. And everywhere else. Not sure I'd want Travis Bickle to be the rain bringer but the rain I'd have fall would wash them away, and I am sure if they were to return the compliment (which they couldn't, bless their ignorant little socks) I am pretty sure there's some rain of theirs heading my way.

Bandying "Fascist" about is asking for trouble. I claim my hundredth Hitler post. Here are some cats.

*cats missing due to 503
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