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Amulya Aabye
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03-07-2008 05:33
From: Darling Sieyes

BTW...You can go in the south, and speak with black folks...they will tell you the practice of feeding blacks to aligators, is still happening, and there is fear of this. There are many black people who are caught in the slavery still, in these times...the fears being held over then, the low pay, keeping them from leaving, and the lack of fight for flight, beaten into their souls.


Good lord! I am an immigrant from India living in the South for the last 11 years. Pardon me if I think you are full of BS.
Ann Launay
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03-07-2008 05:37
From: Darling Sieyes

At one shop, i found a gown I liked. It came in 12 colors, each over1200L's.

I asked how much 6 colors would be. L$7800. I said yes


Erm, how much over 1200L were the dresses? Because 6 at 7800L is 1300L per dress.
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03-07-2008 05:41
From: Darling Sieyes
I am not sure if there is shortage of Linden's to keep up with those who are reported breaking rules...
Or if time is spent on those who have the highest tier fees.
And/or a bit of both.
The 'criminals' make false reports as well, for the purpose of bogging this help system created with good intentions.
I think the more land one owns, should put them to the top of the list, when reports are filed. Then this does not put them in a class of the untouchables who can break rules and get away with it.

I wonder, why do the same things break over and over? It is fixed, then broke again. Sometimes I do not find issue on site, and most times, I do not even know how to explain within the boundries of the bug window...lol anyone else know what I mean?

I find the greed in this world, unaddressed. As with other issues. This is our world, and we must find means to stop the cliques, gangs, perversions, thefts, and all criminal behavors.
Many of the greedy, use our hard earned money, to keep themselves supplied in drugs.

Citizens organizing honest programs, are infiltrated with those who use the idea, in order to confuse and discredit those with integrity.
Look at the laisions...i see many of them belonging and acting on behalf of those they serve. Many, just to be accepted with the popular cliques.
This undermines the original values set. Words are easy to say, to fool others.
I have also seen and experienced, a few Linden's, who break the rules, and one particular one, recieved every report I made on this particular griefing which was an on going scam to get my land.
I have on notecard and on web site which cannot be crashed, his friends, bragging about having Linden friends.

An example of something which recently happened to me...which saddened me, to know we live among people in flesh world and in virtual worlds.
At one shop, i found a gown I liked. It came in 12 colors, each over1200L's.
I had already spent quite a bit, but I asked how much it would cost to get the set of 12 colors.
Knowing, there are huds in which will change colors, but liking this particular dress.
Of course she makes more money selling them individually, but in the long run, she would make better, and gain a reputation for being a fair and caring person.

I spent a total of L$18432. I could have bought in flesh world, these jammies which are popular to wear in or out, and very warm and comfortable...could have bought 3 sets with this money I spent.
I am ill, so dressing up in sl is a past time for me.

She did not have the sets priced as sets. The price she gave me for 12 colors, was too high, so I asked how much 6 colors would be. L$7800. I said yes, and started deciding the colors.
Turns out, the colors do not look as they do in the snapshots shown in stores. Two of the colors are nearly the same, with different names. For this price, there is also no snapshot included in the sets.
I have bought outfits for one L, which had snapshots.

There is no modify, so no ability to change the color myself.
The silver is a dull silver, sure would have looked better shiny.

She rushed me, which should not have been so, for customer service should be important.

She has loads of friends, her group is good sized.
I am no longer afraid to speak, afraid of the griefings...I gave up my land, so what can these sorts of people do now? Follow me? Stalk me? Who cares at this point in time...I do know one thing, they would not show up face to face, flesh to flesh...they hide behind a character...oh so sad.

Sadder yet, is the honest and talented creators...I know one in particular who supports his children, and he gives fair prices, good product, decent service, though I have bought lots of his product, with no problem ever...
So we have a world, in which we can live, and enjoy, only these creepy people, are bent on destruction, not realizing they have already destroyed themselves.

So what do we do with these kind of instances?
Take our losses until we can take no more and quit like others have? Then the greedy can greed one another, and this puts out the honest business person.

Well if anyone has any idea, pass it on...for many of us, like this world, and find promise for a future...Sure helps in the winter time, and for someone disabled...
....but we must rid this world of the rats, the cockroaches and the heartless.

Oh and Saii, I agree with you, names should be changed to protect the innocent, not the guilty.

It is also so disheartening, for people of the u.s.a. to be racists. They forget their own heritage, and may not even be aware of their lineage.

A story I heard years ago, I did not know the person, but those speaking did. A prejudice man and his wife, moved to the south, in a kkk area. The felt a sense of belonging, being with people who thought as they did.
The ending of this story, the woman gets pregnant, and has a very black colored baby. The husband accused her, and she was picked on so badly, she left. The only black man who had been near her was a handyman, who did work. He was never found, but his family said he was fed to the aligators.
The man remarried. This time, a daughter of a kkk official.
Yes, u got the story...Her first child was black. Wonder if this man was fed to the aligators too?
BTW...You can go in the south, and speak with black folks...they will tell you the practice of feeding blacks to aligators, is still happening, and there is fear of this. There are many black people who are caught in the slavery still, in these times...the fears being held over then, the low pay, keeping them from leaving, and the lack of fight for flight, beaten into their souls.

This person, inworld, who you have had to hear his racial slurs, he/she needs to be dealt with and used as an example. But, we know these sorts, who run and hide when caught.

So wishing, LL would make another grid, called hell...for those who think they can break the rules of game, the rules of life...Let them live together, and make hell for each other, instead of those who have good use for this sl world we live.

Personally, I am sick of seeing them...and they have removed from me, my sense of pity and desire to help, for they do not want help...they think they are great.

In regards,
Darling



Christ on a bike, I'm not getting the time I spent reading that back, am I? :(
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03-07-2008 06:07
From: Max Herzog
Christ on a bike, I'm not getting the time I spent reading that back, am I? :(

I once watched D.W. Griffith's "The Birth of a Nation". The experience of reading the post you quoted was roughly equivalent, except without any of the historic or cultural significance. Or unintentional humor.
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03-07-2008 06:21
From: Snark Serpentine
I once watched D.W. Griffith's "The Birth of a Nation". The experience of reading the post you quoted was roughly equivalent, except without any of the historic or cultural significance. Or unintentional humor.


hahaha. Like it.
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03-07-2008 06:24
From: Max Herzog
Christ on a bike, I'm not getting the time I spent reading that back, am I? :(


LMFAO :)
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03-07-2008 06:35
From: Max Herzog
Christ on a bike, I'm not getting the time I spent reading that back, am I? :(

Oh, you enjoyed it, Max. you know you did.
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03-07-2008 06:39
From: Brenda Connolly
Oh, you enjoyed it, Max. you know you did.


in as much as I enjoy rollercoaster rides that involve buying multipack ballgowns of myriad hue for indeterminate sums, touch on cockroaches, rats and assorted vermin and culminate in people being flung to alligators, all lumped together with seemingly no point whatsoever.

I was sticking pins in my eyes after the first paragraph.
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03-07-2008 06:40
From: Max Herzog
in as much as I enjoy rollercoaster rides that involve buying multipack ballgowns of myriad hue for indeterminate sums, touch on cockroaches, rats and assorted vermin and culminate in people being flung to alligators, all lumped together with seemingly no point whatsoever.

I was sticking pins in my eyes after the first paragraph.

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03-07-2008 06:41
From: Brenda Connolly
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Quite. :D
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03-07-2008 06:47
From: Brenda Connolly
I thought it was fear of that Cheesy TV show that was on a few years ago.


I think I'm the only straight male to watch that show and like it! :D
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03-07-2008 06:48
From the snippet of conversation posted by the OP, it's difficult to categorise it as a variety of racism or xenophobia. We don't know the context at all in fact (or maybe I'm missing something)

Either way it would certainly be classed as Hate Speech:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

Hate speech in general is something we normally have to live with unless certain quite specific criteria are met, most commonly those of defamation or incitement.

LL will do what they think best I'm sure, however something to remember is that personal liberty is for most people actually two related freedoms.

A Positive Liberty.. Freedom to act and say what you want.
A Negative Liberty.. Freedom from persecution.

In an environment like SL which to an extent pride's itself on liberty for all, shouldn't we be finding ways to include both, not just the first?

I don't know any of the answers to this obviously.. just interested..:)
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03-07-2008 06:49
is this really a thread?

saying a country is "best" is not racist.
saying one thinks "illegals" should be deported is not racist. it's his/her opinion, and noyb... even if he/she is saying it around you.

clearly you disagree with the viewpoint, and surely you're argued your perspective back. maybe he thinks "you" are a racist.

if that is even a real conversation, and not a made up one, clearly the person is angry and deluded.

mute and ignore, and get on with it. :rolleyes:
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03-07-2008 06:54
From: Lana Tomba
They clearly do not get the point of what it means to be an American. :(
Unless he has red skin he needs to deport himself and get the #@(& off my land.
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03-07-2008 07:00
From: Stephen Wisent
From the snippet of conversation posted by the OP, it's difficult to categorise it as a variety of racism or xenophobia.
The correct catagory is STUPIDITY.
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03-07-2008 07:06
From: Stephen Wisent

A Positive Liberty.. Freedom to act and say what you want.
A Negative Liberty.. Freedom from persecution.

In an environment like SL which to an extent pride's itself on liberty for all, shouldn't we be finding ways to include both, not just the first?

It's interesting that you are familiar with the concept of positive and negative liberties (or freedoms) and then ask about seeking both. I'll assume you're just looking to spur discussion and introduce the logical response.

You can't have both unlimited positive liberty and unlimited negative liberty for all occupants of a domain. Unlimited freedom to act for one very rapidly runs into another resident's freedom from persecution. In a way, many of the tools in Second Life are designed to mitigate natural (logical, as opposed to arbitrary) restrictions of freedom: land security and private islands to separate the domain and enforce positive liberties; mute to enforce negative liberties.
Cunundrum Alcott
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03-07-2008 07:07
I see alot of racism throughout the game not only twordes those who do not live in the US but to those who do not live in France, Netherlands, etc. If were going to kick everyone out who makes a racist remark lets not just limit it to those who live in the US.
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03-07-2008 07:14
From: Briana Dawson
My goodness if you call that racism in SL you have not seen anything.




This girl is gonna have a coronary if she ever visits Ahern.

The amount of times I've been called a fag there... honestly.

And that was when they were being nice. :D
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Rebecca Proudhon
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03-07-2008 07:14
You Ar'ed so they will probably hear about it. Just mute and ignore them now. Just a silly jerk abusing the concept of free speech and turning it into chat harrassment.
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03-07-2008 07:23
Freedom of speach is also the freedom to offend. However in SL it does not apply. We all signed an agreement with LL when we made our AVs on how we will behave on THEIR servers. If anyone violates that agreement then they should be punished as LL sees fit.

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03-07-2008 07:26
From: Snark Serpentine
It's interesting that you are familiar with the concept of positive and negative liberties (or freedoms) and then ask about seeking both. I'll assume you're just looking to spur discussion and introduce the logical response.

You can't have both unlimited positive liberty and unlimited negative liberty for all occupants of a domain. Unlimited freedom to act for one very rapidly runs into another resident's freedom from persecution. In a way, many of the tools in Second Life are designed to mitigate natural (logical, as opposed to arbitrary) restrictions of freedom: land security and private islands to separate the domain and enforce positive liberties; mute to enforce negative liberties.


Hi Snark,

I do understand the tensions between the two, and understand that any solution in RL or SL is and will be a balancing act.

I've just noticed recently in this Forum that any concern raised about the activities or behaviour of fellow SL citizens is almost immediately hit over the head with the mallet of positive freedom.

I thought as a society, we might want to come up with something a little more sophisticated than "mute".. which at the end of the day doesn't deal with either defamation or incitement.
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03-07-2008 07:27
Oh yeah, I mute allright. And sure that works.
But sticking your head in the sand is what we are all good in, right?
The IDC culture at it's best. 8-|
Let the facist parties rise and mute them all, because we don't care!
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03-07-2008 08:12
From: Saii Hallard
Oh yeah, I mute allright. And sure that works.
But sticking your head in the sand is what we are all good in, right?
The IDC culture at it's best. 8-|
Let the facist parties rise and mute them all, because we don't care!


Do you AR the communist groups? How about those groups belonging to the ethnic group to which you belong?
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03-07-2008 08:48
From: Saii Hallard
Oh yeah, I mute allright. And sure that works.
But sticking your head in the sand is what we are all good in, right?
The IDC culture at it's best. 8-|
Let the facist parties rise and mute them all, because we don't care!


Let me get this straight.

You think if this guy is muted by yourself and others, he will become the of SL and his party will take over?

Did this guy personally insult you or anybody else based on your race? If not, I don't really see there's much you can do. I can't see how he's defamed anybody but himself, nor incited anything but similar minded people to talk like him, and others to mute him.

Indeed, I suspect the reason this guy is so annoying is because he doesn't have many friends so he hangs around near infohubs where trolling works particularly well. I bet he'd be really proud if he saw this result.
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03-07-2008 09:09
This RR person has stores that sell shirts and stuff with allmost every REAL LIFE music band logo's on them (Metellica Guns n Roses SlipKnot etc). if LL doesnt care about this blatent copyright infringment (That has been going on WELL OVER 2 years and made him enuf money to buy 2 islands from LL) why would they care about his Racist views.

RR is quite a funny person really, just get to know him a bit :) but i must say it is alot of fun to watch him get people riled up all the time, he is a endless source of entertainment...
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