Help, I've Lost a Friend. No mercy in SL?

Yeah, as if you'd been transparent yourself. What you are looking for is sympathy. This is the wrong place for that, try the church down the street.

You've already gotten the facts, but I'll repeat them for you:

1. Nobody knows how LL handles discipline. Even LL doesn't know, because it changes from day to day.

2. There is no transparency. Not for the accused, and certainly not for third parties.

3. There is no due process. LL makes the rules and enforces them capriciously.

4. USUALLY they get it right. An instant account cancellation is generally a sign the perpetrator is VERY guilty. Underage av, sexual ageplay, fraud, using stolen $L, using someone else's account, massive theft of intellectual property. Even most forms of griefing don't result in this sort of action by LL.

5. Sometimes they get it wrong, and only the accused has any recourse at all, and that's limited.

It's all a matter of knowing what you can and can't get away with. (^_^)

I, for one, know quite clearly. (^_^)

Read the TOS/CS and take it quite literally or face this guy. (^_^)y

**Warning** This is pure speculation on my part, .....based on reading between the lines of "Maxum Kingmaker" post, friends of the banned person, the recent spate of bans as per an Ann Otoole posting that i recently read......it's my guess that the OP's friend was banned for using either CyroLife or Neil Life viewer. He might not have done anything malicious with it....but it may have been detected and reported. Then LL went through chat logs...and found a comment that might have sealed his fate. .....it could have been a joke to just "copy" such and such item....but enough to send him into the Sin bin!

That's what i'm guessing!

But, given points 1, 2 and 3, how can you be confident of point 4?

It may well be that " An instant account cancellation is generally a sign someone at Linden Labs has concluded that the perpetrator is guilty of something very serious," and it may well be that they reach the right factual conclusion all the time or some of the time or every now and again, and more by luck than good judgment.

But how does anyone know how accurate they are in their determination of fact, as opposed to how justified the penalty is if they've got their facts right?

Rene, if you're right, then he deserved what he got. Cryolife has far reaching implications for every creator on the grid.

The kind of response I've come to expect from Pep.

You fixed what?

You altered what I said in my quote (which should be against the rules of these forums, in my opinion) and then made a snide remark.

Typical Pep talk.

I'm not telling anyone when they can or cannot do anything, and you know that, merely offering that its in poor taste to ass-u-me that someone is lying, or that their friend deserved whatever happened and that you are just too good to have to read their drivel.

So I'll say it again, and stipulate that this is only a suggestion: If you think the OP of any forum thread is lying or misleading, take a moment before you post, take a deep breath and then don't. It makes you look like an ass and gives the forums the bad name they already have.

Just a suggestion tho! Far be it for me to tell anyone what to do.

Handy

Well, having Cyro Life and logging into SL....and actually using it to copy objects you're not the creator of.......are 2 different things imo....and that's speaking as a creator. 1 infringement is not as severe as the other.

I will apologize in advance for being a scold.

PLEASE say English is not your native language. I've never been a fan of Grammar Police, but that was just painful to read. I can be a lazy proofreader and spell checker myself, but any English speaking person with at least a grade school education should be ashamed of themselves for putting that in a public forum.

And isn't Mersey a river in Liverpool?

Actually, why should one keep quiet if they feel someone is lying when making wild staements.? Don't we call out perceived liars in our daily lives? Why should this be any different? I see nothing wrong with questioning someone when they make bold, suppositional staements. it should be done im a civil manner, but there is nothing wrong in doing so, in my opinion.

As for this forum's "reputation, who gives a damn anymore? LL has destinied it for the scrap heap, and I am starting to wish they would just close it down and get it over with. Allowing it to go on is just an insult to all involved and a reflection on what a rudderless ship LL is. Let them have thier shiny Blogorum and go out and play in tarffic.

See, you are following the rules so nothing happens to you. Your friend did not folllow them and was banned. Why are you concerned about "due process"? LL is the judge, jury and procecutioner all in one. They own SL, not us. To prove that all you have to do is remember the old tag line on the main page.... anyone? anyone?
it was "Your world, Your imagination."

I don't know Brenda, I guess its because I'm a bit wounded myself right now, having lost my best friend in SL recently. I felt the OP's pain and then was sickened by the immediate flood of nastiness that followed.

I don't normally dip into these conversations and perhaps I should have stayed out of this one. I just see it happen here so often.

As for the forum, I guess you're right if its actually going to be closed, which, I for one hope it isn't, there are a lot of good people here who actually have wonderful knowledge and can be very helpful.

And from what I can see of the new so-called forums ... well they suck.

Handy

I'm actually surprised these forums have not yet been killed off.....i have to say, I'm real happy this existing format is still chugging along.

It might be that LL are running the 2 systems in parallel (wishful thinking on my part)....comparing XStreet's new blogforum and it's popularity (or lack of it given all the negative comments over there) and these original forums. Maybe in time, LL might realise this format is worth keeping and bring all the XStreet sections over here!

I can but dream!

I think its highly amusing that the People/ Person who think 's that they can target people for being different dont have the balls to come out and really admit who they are really and they go running to Lindens with their petty hit list.

Shame they dont stand up and really show what facist biggots they really are. they choose to hide their nasty insidious form behind an alt because they can't take the accountabilty for there own action

I challenge them to show who they really are have the balls to stand. I have my suspitions already who you are and think its funny that you walk amongst the very people you seek to get banned

Stand up and be counted or hide in the darkness as always

Wow Silas....now you've scuppered my speculation (i.e using illegal viewer). So it appears maybe false AR'ing a certain group of people when you mentioned "can target people for being different". An attack on the Gay community or Furries maybe??
It appears to be a community of sorts as Maxum mentions "tracking those bastards down to the home sim"

Don't forget to add greed-driven merchants and child avs. Your speculation is killing me.....but the riddles and the anticipation builds! This is probably why the Guiding Light got canceled after a 70 year run. Or was it As the World Turns? One of those.

Do you remember that incident earlier this year where someone made a passionate, heart-throbbing plea on behalf of some Brazilian girl who had been allegedly kidnapped and brought to the US (or something to that effect - my memory is a little sketchy) - only for us to discover it was all an elaborate social-engineering ruse to collect e-mail addresses (presumably to sell to spammers)?

If everyone who smelled something fishy in that story had just kept their mouths shut and never posted anything questioning the validity of the story, that scam would probably still be running rampant.

I'm not saying that the original post in this thread is even close to the same thing; but I believe we are all entitled to healthy skepticism when it comes to such emotionally-laced pleas.

lol...it's killing you? It's killing me

It's like playing Cluedo, just trying to piece the titbits of information that each involved avatar is leaving behind on this thread! Maybe it's a new game.....SL's version of Cluedo!!

The "titbits" ??? Shame on you for spicing it up!

I SUSPECT that MAXUM did it in the forest with the NEKO.

Who can prove me wrong?

Well I initially thought Mr X (OP's friend) copybotted a Furry......now it looks like Maxum false AR'd Mr X on the Home Sim!

How many guesses does one have?

It's drama. Thought you'd be able to recognize it's particular smell by now

I'm starting to wonder if the offense in question was being underage on the Main Grid. I took a stroll through some profiles here and discovered that almost all of them took rather strong, unusual steps to declare themselves as being over 18. This group is either no stranger to underage/ageplay complaints - justified or not - or are truly underage.

Being in such a position where your age gets called into question so much that you have to declare it in strong language in your in-world profiles, it would behoove you to present yourselves as being adults in every interaction you have involving SL. When you type like a tantruming five-year-old with access to a keyboard, it causes people to question your status as adults, and invites unwanted scrutiny.

At the very least, how can you expect us to take what you say seriously if you can't even be bothered to take the time to even attempt to spell properly? I'm very tolerant when it comes to typos, because nobody is perfect and I've made some doozies myself; but this goes beyond simple typos, and leaves me with the impression of someone banging on a keyboard with his fists and hoping words come out.

Why does everyone think these forums have a bad name? I absolutely love these forums and I'm not even one of the "in crowd". Been reading here for a few years and have never even posted in the never ending thread...

First off...if anyone has a real SL question (I don't mean asking or looking for opinions) you get an answer here quicker than anywhere else on the net. Well you DO get a response for opinions expressed faster than anywhere on the net also

And there is nothing I love more than coming here when I have an especially hard or tense work day...it is always a good way to laugh and relax. There are so many unique personalities and humors...how can one say this forum has a bad name?

I think only good things about this forum and I will hate to see it go...it has kept me sane many times! I mean compared to many threads...my RL seems so normal ....even when I know it's not

In a word: Greed. LL likes to have high concurrency numbers and high total population numbers. It makes them look more successful to their investors and to the world at large. I believe this is one reason LL took so long to address the problem with traffic bots (and still only makes a half-hearted effort to cull their numbers). Given this, I can't see LL as wanting to be very quick with the banhammer. Mistakes can and do happen, to be sure; but I would think LL would rather go out of their way to *not* permaban anyone; that it would take something rather exceptional, something potentially damaging to their name, image, or bottom line, for them to do anything that permanently reduces their numbers.