Help, I've Lost a Friend. No mercy in SL?

Help! I've lost a dear friend in SL, and I'm not sure there's anything I can do.

The punishment just seems so disproportionate to his offense. He never abused, griefed, or harmed anyone, and was a great friend to many.

I'm with Katheryne on this one. Though LL has been rather harsh on occassions for what I would call a relatively minor offense, that is really quite rare. Even rarer are the permabans.....even after repeated suspensions. LL just does not like to permaban anyone.........but for major offenses they do it.

I don't see how you or anyone else outside of LL could have enough data to say whether or not it's rare or how LL feels about permabans.

I know of two cases in the last year where LL issued permabans that were later overturned. I'm pretty sure that for at least one of them there was no prior record of offenses. It took this person significant time, effort, and patience to get it overturned. Given that it's easy to verify that it was overturned, I'm inclined to believe that this person's description of the events is accurate, and that the permaban was an error on LL's part.

How did it happen? I can only guess that someone with a chip on their shoulder but no standards, guidelines, or adequate training was either given authority that they shouldn't have been trusted with or given a task without adequate time and resources to perform the task properly. There's inadequate review, inadequate transparency, and inadequate standards.

Its amusing to me how the very same people who constantly berate LL's for every decision they make have been quick to assume that if they banned someone it MUST have been for legit reasons.

The OP wanted to better understand the process LL's uses to handle these issues and most likely wanted a little sympathy for his loss, and while some of have given that, if you look at the first page he was hit with unsympathetic criticism instead.

Not that that is unusual for these forums sadly.

Handy

Help! I've lost a dear friend in SL, and I'm not sure there's anything I can do.

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Agreed....i have learnt just by reading these forums....never expect too much sympathy. If i have a grievance i certainly wouldn't air them on RA forums.....it would be one of the last places!!

I think when replying to this type of OP post, we should focus on the "is there anything that can be done?" part of the post...rather than make character assassinations or assumptions about the 3rd party involved. Personally, if someone is genuinely upset like the OP...i don't think it's necessary or helpful to stick the boot in!

Do all of you guys have permanent IP adresses???

Ahh poor baby, paybacks a bitch isnt it? We know full well who your "friends" are and what they did. Plus we know who you are as we ran across your name more than a few times tracking those bastards down to the home sim. Hint of the day is, If you hadn't posted it would have been forgotten.

Play with fire, and you get burned and let me tell you. They crossed the wrong MF that time. More people are going down if I heard right. If I were you I'd keep your nose out of it. Right now it seems your rather clean.

Keep it that way.

From my experience, no internet forum is the place to go if you want any sort of sympathy..Yeah, we are jaded as a group, but there have been some real whiz bang stories here over the years that have started out just like this...until the details were gradually revealed.

From my experience, no internet forum is the place to go if you want any sort of sympathy..Yeah, we are jaded as a group, but there have been some real whiz bang stories here over the years that have started out just like this...until the details were gradually revealed.

Yeah you are right about that Brenda. My thoughts on that are simple tho, if you suspect its fake or have no sympathy for them, just don't post. Why attack and demean? It hurts us all in the end.

Handy

Do all of you guys have permanent IP adresses???

No it is not an offense to log on as another character when one character is banned unless the IP address is banned also.

OMG! this sounds like some sort of vendetta against Semyon's friend, not to mention, who is "we"?? and it is an outright threat, and will be reported as such.

Yeah you are right about that Brenda. My thoughts on that are simple tho, if you are a fake or are just looking for sympathy for them, just don't post.

Semyon is showing his true friend ship for a true friend,,Some ppls. arre do desperit for a friend that .Will stoop so low as to drage there tails in the mud. As for Robster Avro. Maximus
Sidek is one of the best friends I have had here. He has worked to no end with new ppls here. To help them leard SL and all the things it has to offer.
I beleave all ppl ned a second chance. And that the baning on his firse efance is to harsh.
Semyon look out there are some not so nice ppl IN sl Thanks so much for your friendship.

The OP wanted to better understand the process LL's uses to handle these issues and most likely wanted a little sympathy for his loss, and while some of have given that, if you look at the first page he was hit with unsympathetic criticism instead.

I'm with Katheryne on this one. Though LL has been rather harsh on occassions for what I would call a relatively minor offense, that is really quite rare. Even rarer are the permabans.....even after repeated suspensions. LL just does not like to permaban anyone.........but for major offenses they do it. I won't venture a guess for what reason but knowing LL's history for taking action on major offenses I'll bet your friend violated something very major.......very, very major. There is, of course, the possibility that your friend's banning was a cumulation of several (possibly many) other violations that added up the the permaban. The whole line of events are not known to any of us.......only LL and the banned person know what happened. LL won't tell and the banned person will very likely only tell what he/she feels is going to be sympathic to his/her side of the story.

I know the person who was banned cannot log into the forums to give a first hand account of the issue but these second hand sob stories are always suspect to me. I just cannot believe the OP is being completely candid on this subject.........just way to much involved. Second hand stories are more often than not fictional.......however I do not believe that is intensional on the poster's part. But because the poster is too close the issue to be objective.............and the liklihood of the poster not getting a true account of what really happened. You just don't know the people you become close to in SL (actually on the internet in general).

Perhaps my way of thinking is why I don't have a boyfriend in SL.

From my experience, no internet forum is the place to go if you want any sort of sympathy..Yeah, we are jaded as a group, but there have been some real whiz bang stories here over the years that have started out just like this...until the details were gradually revealed.

If the OP were a little more forthright about the reasons for the banning, I suspect they might get more sympathy. Assuming it wasn't actually justified.

Permaban does seem excessive for most first time TOS infractions, so how'd they rate it?

I haven't provided any details because I understood that to be a violation of the TOS for this forum. And anyway, my point was to ask about how LL handles discipline, and to raise a concern for transparency and due process.

Veiled and rather transparent attempt to come off as a different avi....soooooo sad.