WTF? Adult Content threads all locked?

I found it funny myself.
I would have thought another couple of days would have got everyone a chance to post, and given a couple of days of LInden responses after many of us had vented over the weekend.

Also in terms of consistency it seems there's already inconsistency, NCI head suspended for one hour over a nipple show?

http://www.plurk.com/p/jnkje

Correct Ceera!

This is all part of the "We listened to our customer base and made the follwoing changes" process.....from forums followed by the in-world meetings. Decision has already been made folks....it just about semantics and implementation that will consume their time from here on in.

In fact, i think this could be more devastating for Estate sims than Mainland, if you go by sheer numbers!

My impression was that the true aim (despite the spin) was to drive sex off the grid. It may be that LL's legal advice was that having condoned and profited from sex and permitted people to spend a lot of money on sex items for so long LL faced lawsuits if all adult content was simply removed from inventories.

Instead, LL decides to try and separate the creators of sex equipment from their customer base. On the basis that the majority of residents are neither PIOF nor age verified, restricting access to the creators of sex equipment to people in those categories will obviously harm the creators of sex equipment. Many of those businesses would fold. Now that XStreetSL is in the hands of LL presumably it would soon follow that adult items could only be purchased by PIOF or age verfied accounts.

I think that it's probably correct that the obligation for private islands used in any part for sex purposes to redesignate adult would have far greater implications for the grid than a compulsory move of adult parcels from the mainland to the new adult mainland. Whilst I stand to be corrected, I suspect that most adult clubs and destinations are now found on private islands. Typically the island is themed around the adult club which is built on a fairly large and grand scale. The club is the island owner's play thing; his reason for being in SL. The club is, in effect, funded by the rents received from shops and dwellings located elsewhere on the island. Even if (and it's a big if) there is sufficient demand for the adult club from residents who are PIOF or age verified, it is unlikely that the shops or dwellings would hold much attraction subject to access restrictions. The rental stream would decrease so that the whole venture would become unprofitable. In short, either through lack of custom or unprofitability of the adult island, the club would likely close and the island disappear from the grid.

It can be scary, I know.

WTF! Sheer madness and now we see why the Governance Team no longer has meetings. Where is the accountability? The Linden responsible should have all in world policing capabilities stripped immediately until further review.

Oh really? I thought private islands were going to be left alone. But I suggest every private mature island make their island PG and then make a large welcome area that is PG and make the rest of the content age-verify only and/or group members only. This was you still get the wandering noobs and they can decide to stay or go.


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That won't work Lias. Each island is a single SIM/region. The classification of PG, M or A will be imposed at regional level. The new code will not allow entry to any part of the island to any resident not PIOF or age verified. The subdivision of the island into parcels/estates is irrelevant.

Not possible, the only option is going to be for the WHOLE ESTATE to be "Adult" or not.

So if you have a island and one guy sets up a little smut shack on 100 meters - your entire island is now Mature?

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I also suspect many many people are oblivious to the original Linden blog and forum debates....i found out late through a friend...how many spend their time working in world and not hanging around the boards???

I clicked Lindens original own FAQ links to discover their interpretation of what was adult was broken/still under development. Happening to be on the eve of a large investment decision about land holdings in my business the brake is now full on. How many others on the possible cusp of mature v adult are floating in a void..

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Unless you give him the boot, Lias, strictly speaking you would have to reclassify adult.

It irritates me that the LL spin seems to have been intended to give the misleading impression that the changes would give rise to no issues with privateislands/estates.

This seems to be the case, if you think about it though it's backdoor cleaning up the grid of adult content. The estate owner is most likely to point him in the direction of the adult continent.

How about some Pi?

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Maybe they realised, that almost every post in those threads was another whine with the same background? Instead of answering every single whine they simply closed it... As I read these froums... I wonder why the people from this forum are still in SL.. The picture drawn in this forum sounds like SL is the worst place to spend spare time... Actually if I were a Linden I would also close and do my thing, because all I would earn is the same old stuff you can read in any thread in the forums...

To summarize the forums: about 98% of what the Lindens do is crap the other 2% are simply wrong...

Most of the people who take the time to read these forums and blogs have time and financial investment on this platform and need to be aware of these bait-and-switch schemes our service provider throws at us. These decisions cost us thousands of dollars and bring down major projects.

These forums are like chamber of commerce meetings; loud, aggressive and somewhat self serving. Sadly the service provider cannot figure out how to make everyone happy. Or just quiet.


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In the announcement LL made it clear that the move was going to happen. They were not seeking input as to whether that should happen or not. What they were seeking was feedback on how it could best be handled. I don't know how much constructive input they got on that, but my guess is not much.

No, the sim owner's choice would be to evict the smut shack or choose to tag their entire ESTATE as "Adult". If that sim owner has 20 sims, all in one estate, it's all 20, or nothing. To have only one of their 20 sims be "Adult", they will have to divide that XXX sim off into its own "Estate", and I believe there is something like a $100 USD fee for doing that sort of split.

They were given plenty of constructive suggestions. They chose to ignore or refused to consider almost all of the customer feedback that they were offered.

we'll see if it happens, honestly they've tried varying ways to sell things in the past and then gave up on it. ID verification was about trust, people told them it was nonsense. The LL goal is just simply unworkable in its present form, I'm glad they've stopped the discussion because it's a sign they know that.

No, you or he is subject to sanctions under the TOS if you don't set the estate it's in to "Adult". Not "Mature". "Adult". It's the new thing, it means, um, "More mature than mature".

I don't know why anyone's surprised. This is LL's standard operation. They've already decided what they want to do and since it's likely to tick off a huge section of SL users, they decided to announce it in the form of "asking for feedback," or "resident discussion." This way, by the time they actually implement their decision, we've either all quit or we've run ourselves out of our rage.

*sighs* Let me know when Disney buys 'em out, okay?

What Phil said.

fake edit: pretty much what Raudf just said.

Maybe they have picked up many of the duggestions and are now locked in a 5 hour meeting bouncing the ideas around to see what's feasible or to clarify their policy details too.
The Lindens we talk to are not the bosses so just because they say something it's not necessarily the final or exact answer.
It's like asking a Sargent of an neighbouring countries army if they plan to invade your country.
Or an Office manager at Social security fine details on how new policies announced on TV last night are going to work,