WTF? Adult Content threads all locked?

You little risk taker, you.

Thanks for the brown bag answers, I wasn't familiar with that term.

You just can't handle my naked ferrets.

Actually I think some varient of that is exactly what they SHOULD do. It would be far easier to require flagging of parcels that contain adult content and build a totally NO adult content continent elsewhere for those who cant satand the though of camming in by accident.

Forcing businesses to move but still allowing the adult content in private residences makes the entire exercise pointless and unenforceable.

It's a done deal....those threads were just their usual "smokecreens" as I stated on one of their threads. The are designed to show that they "listen & care about their community".

M.Linden wants RL businesses and Educators here.
Phillip Lindens talks about possible merger with Teen Grid (Imo this is even worst than the Adult only continent!)

Both ideas...one way or another, are a disaster waiting to happen imo!

The thread i was reading and involved in was 80-90% against LL proposed changes...plus 1 Cherokee nutter...never quite grasped what she was all about, but the thread for awhile seemed to go off track!

In the absence of any open LL feedback over 3 days, I had rather assumed that the lady campaigning for the rights of native americans was a linden alt!

You're right...however its traditionally been very hard to rally the community. (Too many self interests...or "I'm ok Jack" prevails) People power doesn't seem to work on this monopoly platform of 3D world......and LL knows this!

Sheesh, people, look at WHAT WAS ASKED in each of those threads:

"How do these definitions align with your personal interpretation of these standards?"
"What are your thoughts?"
"What is important for us to consider in this regard from a Resident perspective?"
"Please use this thread to share your thoughts on these goals and to ask any questions you may have about why we will be making these changes for Adult content in Second Life"
"What sort of search filtering would you like to see in Second Life?"

The goal of each of those threads was not for them to have a dialogue with us, they were there to get our opinions, concerns, etc. They let that run for a few days, to give everyone a chance to have their say, then they closed them down, with the comment that they will pull the ideas together and discuss WITH US in-world, no?

They never made any commitment to answer anything in those threads and no matter how shrill everyone was, they weren't going to be bullied into doing it.

Now it remains to be seen what they do NEXT with the information they have gathered.

If they'd hold their in-world meetings some time I could get in-world...

This, in itself, is outrageous. Dangle devastating changes in front of the paying customers and then refusing to answer their un-authorized questions and concerns is just plain wrong.

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The end times are at hand. I agree with Phil on something.

It can be done, though.

Just look at what transpired (is still transpiring?) with adfarming and microparcel extortion.

If it wasn't for the wonderfully dedicated folks from various groups that organized and staged the fight against the abuse, the mainland would still look like this:

http://etakeh-oh.net/adless/gallery/index.php

If it matters enough to you, join in the fight. If it doesn't, well, then take what you get and be happy.

Where, exactly, did they refuse to answer the questions? Isn't that EXACTLY what they were talking about when they said about having in-world meetings? Now the trick is to make sure they follow through on that - I definitely agree with you there, Argent.

Kalderi - They did the same with the Open Space sims fiasco....and we all know the result of that particular "smokescreen".....they threw us a few crumbs i.e delaying the the full Tier increase until Jul 09.

Since October 08, I can't tell you the number of ordinary folk i've ran into either in world or on forums who lost their lands or gave them up.....and took a monetary lost! I'm not worried about Estate Barons, that's their line of business....but the little guy who wanted a residential home or want a small shop....they were the innocent parties that had zero control over events. Estate Barons could at least trade 4 OS sim for 1 full sim....so no real monetary lost.

They used our time in "meetings" on the topic of improving the premium offering.
Net result: Zero. Nothing changed. No glimmer of any changes to come.

I guess some people have not previously observed the make decision without care or concern, implement, announce, have further discussion threads open for a week, close threads, hold "meetings", continue on with original plans anyway cycle.

One thing is certain: Linden Lab will do whatever they wish to do with their systems, hosts, databases, data, and code. It all belongs to them. Their ball. Their playground.

When you ask questions, especially OPEN-ENDED ones, as well as ask FOR questions, you automatically invite dialogue.

By simply asking, they gave implicit commitment to answering.

We already know what they will do NEXT. They will hold an in-world 3-ring circus act where everyone and their dogs will come to rant and rave in person, drowning out any legitimate questions and answers in an endless stream of cacophony. The time to have the in-world discussions is long gone. The only reason to hold them now is to put forth the next instance of spin that this is all "for the good of the residents by will of the residents; we listened!".

"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." -- Karl Marx

No, it does effect me this time round, (OS sims didn't) I have a mall on Mainland... have about 6/7 Vendors out of 120, whose content would fall into the "Adult" category. I don't want to ask them to leave....but if thats the only way i can protect the SIM from being re-located....well.

If there is a organised Group, i'd gladly join it.

With the interest and concerns of so many residents in that thread they could have been a bit more tactful with their closing thread statement. A stickied FAQ of the questions they did answer would also have been a good idea.

In-world meetings seem to be less effective than conversations like there. We all know about the limitations of the in-world gatherings. So 80 residents get to participate - as opposed to thousands on the forum or their subject-based blogs they keep touting.


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If you walk up and smack me on the snout, then proceed to walk away, with me asking you why you did it, what is the difference between you answering "I refuse to tell you" and simply leaving? Either way, it is the same thing; you refused to answer the question asked of you.

No. They hand you a bag. It is brown because what is in it soaked through.


LOL sorry couldn't resist that one.

Brown bag would mean an informal meeting during their lunch time. Kind of like a casual discussion in a mall plastic fast food restaurant area to discuss Obama's decisions around AIG bonuses. And as effective.

Ciaran, I definitely agree with you about being more specific as to summarizing things.

And Ann, you are exactly right - this isn't a democracy, but a dictatorship in the sense that one entity (LL) controls the destiny of the SL world. We have the choice whether we pay the money to stay there or not. That is their only incentive to be benevolent - because it will take that to make the world a success.

It doesnt surprise me. Most of the "computer types" tend to be lacking in social graces in different areas & human-to-human communication. It's bad enough that Comptia revised their A+ certifications to include "customer service".

They got close to 3000 resident responses in 5 days, most of which told them they were full of it, and dead wrong in their approach. They cherry-picked a small handful of posts to reply to, and ignored the rest.

The only indication I can see that they altered their plans in any way was that when several of us called them out on the ovrly-broad definitions of what made behavior or content "Adult" according to the FAQ that they linked to in their blog entry, which made no exclusin for private use in one's SL bedroom, and effectively labeled ALL adult content as requiring the new tag, down to a single erotic pose ball set locked deep in a hidden basement, they did retract that FAQ definition - but didn't replace it with anything at all, so far.

It will be interesting to see if they do a comprehensive reply to the stuff they ignored. I'll bet that just as with the OpenSpaces issue, anything that doesn't match their agenda will be ignored.

The in-world meetings they propose next will be 100% worthless. Those few who can manage to be there at the arranged time will rant in person, and get no further than we did with 5 days of posting in the forums. And most of those who would be interested in giving continued feedback will either be unable to attend teh scheduled times, or won't be able to attend because the sim will be full. In-world meetings are fine and dandy if you have a small group of people you need feedback from, like "LSL Coders who have been having trouble with the new llSpamMe command's syntax and proper use". It is a very BAD venue for critical issues that affect a huge segment of the SL population.

And no matter what they say, their 2% to 4% figure is pure bull, once you take into account the people on private island sims that are mixed use today, but which will have to chose to either evict Adult tenants, or to switch to all Adult and lose their PG tenants.

If they do the inworld meetings like the future of traffic ones that might work, if they're like the free for all four corners of a sim ones then they won't work, too noisy, too laggy and too many people not listening.