By the way, the name is Linden Lab

Shouldn't 'Torleycolor' be pink and green?

I've dealt with incompetance before as well, and that is where patience comes in, Sometimes getting THEM to slow down, and Listen, OR suggesting that they seek Clarification if they are unsure. I don't Mind taking the lead If it helps us BOTH, In the end i get what i want faster, and if i do it right the people coming after me do Also. I simply find it Much Easier, and much more helpful if in a dispute i control the ONE person present overwhom i have complete Control, Myself. I get Angry, I just think there are Ways in which one Expresses it and Remain a civilized human being.

Angel.

Ps:
In defence of Hannibal,
"He used to say where ever feasable he preferred to Eat the Rude. Free Range Rude he Called them."
~Barny, the Male Nurse who tended Lector~

A.

The show was in Torleycolor, not the credits! OK, OK, I'm clutching at Watermelon coloured straws here. I couldn't think of another snappy substitute for Technicolor.

Oh, I definitely control myself; there's no issue with that.

I just find the opposite, though. Sometimes the proper application of asskicking breaks through logjams and gets things moving. As crazy as it sounds, I've even been thanked for it, before, too!

Anyway, if your methodology works best for you, great! I already know mine works best for me.

Sculpties - Nice concept. Will be nice when they work and don't cause mroe lag than casinos. Also the fact that they're an illusion and still just a sphere limit them. Nice, but still way to buggy to be on the main, imo. Put it on the Beta and play with it some more.

Windlight - Nice. Too bad it's just looks and not substance. I'd much rather have a working platform ~then~ make it look pretty.

Voice - We had it before LL screwed ip up. Called Skype. And Voice I can deal with. The poor implementation of it is what I have a major gripe about. Poor implementation AFTER all the feedback from the issue in Beta. Feedback that was IGNORED.

Get it now? It's not that we hate moving forward, it's that we hate LL doing things halfassed. If they'd just FINISH what they start it'd be a start.

Finish scrulpties.
Finish Windlight.
Finish Voice.
Finish Flexies.
Finish the damn avatar mesh ffs.
Finish fixing all the editing bugs.
Finish fixing permission exploits with textures.
Finish fixing the inventory and database issues.
Finish fixing the data handoff issues of sim crossings.

Want me to go on or am I bashing LL too hard?

And before you ask, yes, I have given them solutions to what I have the ability to do so. Most of my expertise is finding bugs. I find them and make sure I can report reliable recreations of the bug and why they happen.

In the past LL used to take the time to fix these things. LL ~used~ to understand that quality means more than quanity.

~Jessy

Yeah, I get it now. You mistake the resident community for the board of directors. I totally get it now.

I think Linden Lab should work on whatever they think is important for the business.

But they shouldnt claim to be responding to community pressure unless they are doing things the community is pressuring them to.

Oh I agree. "The community has said <this or that>" should have substance, and there should be reason to believe it's true.

Read JIRA though, and read the forums and the blog comments. There are so many personal agendas being evangelized, I sure wouldn't want to be in the position of having to prioritize all that. It's impossible.

No, we think that when they /specificly ask for feedback/, they should at least listen to what they are told.

If they listen, then they should give some statement one way or another on how they recieved the feedback.

They should NOT say "We've received your feedback, and are going to fix the issue", then do NOTHING to make good on that claim.

And if they don't listen, and make promises and then fail to live up to them, they should NOT try to pretend it's the will of the community and everything all hunky-dory.

NOW do you "totally get" why some of us are a bit cheesed off?

Zap...........you know me. You know I don't hate LL. But, you have to know also that LL put themselves in that position with their abandoning any effort at all toward customer service. I fully understand that LL has a bottom line. But if their bottom line violates it's base of customers then an uproar is invitible..........and it can get nasty. It seems the "base" has had a enough. And LL seems to just go on with no regard whatsoever.

That will destroy everything they are trying to accomplish. They are in very real danger of loosing everything they worked for........and it is not necessary. It's hard headedness and closed minded. People don't like that.........people rebel against that way of thinking.

We, the residents, are LL's base.......not the corporate intities they are trying to attract. The corporate organizations will come and stay if the base is stable and happy.......they will leave if we are not happy. And many are not happy.

It's a fact...........blinders and heads in the sand do not alter facts.

I really do hope that Lindens in high places are watching this space. It's interesting to me that a few half serious comments after a few drinks can spark such an intense conversation. Maybe some good will come of it yet.

I felt a bit embarrassed at first, but having read through the thread, I'm glad I made the original post. I have really enjoyed how it's evolved.

Peace

Almost. The resident community, as a body, is above the board of directors. Without us, there wouldn't even BE a SL.

Companies often delude themselves otherwise, but the customer base are the ones who really pays the bills and makes the business profitable (or not). Most who forget that simple truth do it at their own peril.

Good point - they should just never say "The Community has called for .. "

Then it solves the problem entirely.

Also the whole, "The Community finds this Broadly Offensive". What Community? The Community of Fortune 500 members? Surely not the residents of Second Life.

I'll agree with that *Chuckles*

And for the record, I wasn't attacking you personaly, Zap *reread my posts and see that it could be seen that way*. Wanted to make sure it wasn't taken wrong.

I'd truely love to wake LL up. For them to work WITH us, not just FOR us. We need them to do what they do, and they need us to show them what to do. That's not arrogance. It's fact. We are what LL is about. We make SL. Our world, Our imagination.

LL wants the profits to continue their buisness. I would be willing to bet (even with the wagering ban *smirks*) that if LL sat down and worked on nothing but fixes for two months (no new additions in that timeframe) that they woud see a significant increase in profits. That means two months of asking for, and lsitening to and then acting on, feedback from the Residents.

Anyone who runs a buisness (sucessfully) knows that if your customers are happy, your profits are happy.

~Jessy

I'm sure LL has quite a few happy customers, bouncing around in-world merrily oblivious to the seething anger barely contained within the forums.

They'll join us eventually here eventually, when the thrill of a new world grows old and their hopes and dreams for a better life online crash into the cold pavement of reality.

--
Icarus had high expectations too.

Pointless follow-up.

It might have helped people keep it non-plural if it was "The Linden Lab"

Yep, it just wasn't his Daedalus.

Ohh thats terrible ..

LOL

Wax on, Wax Off.

Tsk... you should know better than to fly so close to the pun.

Sorry to necro-post but I feel this needs to be said, and this is the best thread for it:

The word is "RIDICULOUS" - - - not - - - "rEdiculous".

One invites ridicule, the other is a non-word that might imply chronic penile indulgence. And as relevant/amusing an accusation/insult as that may be, it's probably not what's intended.

And anyone that says my quibble is "phallacious" is just being "fecesious".