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Phil Deakins
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11-03-2009 08:32
From: Lear Cale
I'm gald you took it that way, Phil!
Now, if only I had some good textures and a fleet of bots, I could go into competition with you!

;)
hehe. You want to rent a fleet of bots? Low prim ones, of course :D
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Argent Stonecutter
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11-03-2009 09:15
From: Lear Cale
Yeah, which is doubly stupid because copybot could care less about whether something has mod permissions. No-mod simply makes it harder for someone to copy something by hand, or to learn how it is made. It has zero affect on copybot.
Au contraire. No mod promotes copybot, because people do see it as the only way to deal with no-mod items.
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11-03-2009 09:17
From: Novis Dyrssen
I feel like I missed something here. *scratches head*

User: "I can't fit your item to my avatar"
Creator: "No exceptions, copybotter!"
User: "Huh? *google* Oh! I gotta get me one of them!"
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LittleMe Jewell
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11-03-2009 09:37
From: rosie Gastel
Bit that REALLY bugs me, is when the ad specifies mod, but what they really mean is no mod and a resize script ... arrggggg
One think to remember is that the hair really might be modifiable via normal editing, but if the resize scripts in it are no-mod, then the hair will show as no-mod in inventory. So go ahead and rezz the hair or wear it to see for sure whether or not you can edit it.
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11-03-2009 09:46
From: rosie Gastel
why would clothing layers need to be mod?

the only reason I can see is to make them tintable, which as most makers do their things in numerous colors would actually affect their other sales.

only other reason I can see is to affect the cut of them, which as SL makes a horrific mess of if you use the sliders, would actually be detrimental to anything but glitch pants

on the other hand, leaving them mod isn't really much of a risk that I'm aware of as far as theft is concerned as the little thumbnails of the layers aren't good enough to make a decent usable copy of anyway
I always want my glitch pants to be mod as I am seldom in agreement with the creator as to what length they should be.
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11-03-2009 09:47
From: Lissie Rumble
the worst one EVER was a pair of boots made by a well known neko designer.

I rezzed them on the floor at home (I dunno why, I just did. I was messing about!) and it came up with a message saying that I was about to steal, and my name was logged and the creator messaged!

Then, I had an IM from the creator the next moment asking what I was doing with 'her' boots!

Unbelievable.

Surely if I buy a pair of boots I should be allowed to rezz them, wear them on my head, use them as a toilet, anything I like.

Needless to say I shan't be shopping with her again. I'd publicly shame her but that's probably a no-no, even if she did call me a thief.
There is a very well know hair designer that uses those same scripts. I have a friend that intentionally rezzes her hair on the floor when she gets bored -- just to annoy the maker.
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Vania Chaplin
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11-03-2009 09:50
From: Blaze Nielsen
As a creator, I chose to make my items no mod after considerable evaluation. Ofcourse, the "dont' want anybody to mess with my design" factor was a tiny part of it, the real reason for my store is this: Modifiable items increase the customer service time required significantly. We've evaluated similar items in our store, some mod and some no mod. The time required for me to spend on dealing with problems with mod items was considerably more than the no mod stuff. So, when you multiply that time by over 500 items for sale, you have to make a tough choice. Lose some sales to the "no mod" haters, or significantly free up your time to spend creating new products. The choice was easy for me.


You are right, you will never be bothered by me asking customer service for one of your no mod products, because I refuse to buy "no mods". No customer = no customer service.

I am not a big creator, but in each box I include a step by step notecard teaching how to resize, with pics, warning to make a copy before any attempt to mod my clothes. In two years, only once a customer asked me for help, because she forgot to save copy and messed up the original. I know I don't have hundreds of items for sale, but I do prefer a satisfied customer that bothered me for help than an unsatisfied one because he/she cannot mod what was bought to his/her needs.
Marianne McCann
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11-03-2009 10:02
From: Qie Niangao
It's a big deal, getting steadily worse, and will shortly hit a brick wall. Attachment scripters will either get busy now, or face a lot of very unhappy customers when their products can no longer be rezzed.


No, everyone will blame LL. :-/
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11-03-2009 10:06
From: Ann Otoole
I suppose you can set scripts to no transfer in a no copy item or something like that to really screw things up.
I have actually ended up with quite a few items like this in inventory.
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Kitty Barnett
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11-03-2009 10:14
From: Blaze Nielsen
As a creator, I chose to make my items no mod after considerable evaluation. Ofcourse, the "dont' want anybody to mess with my design" factor was a tiny part of it, the real reason for my store is this: Modifiable items increase the customer service time required significantly. We've evaluated similar items in our store, some mod and some no mod. The time required for me to spend on dealing with problems with mod items was considerably more than the no mod stuff. So, when you multiply that time by over 500 items for sale, you have to make a tough choice. Lose some sales to the "no mod" haters, or significantly free up your time to spend creating new products. The choice was easy for me.
If what you sell is C/NT then simply boxing it up will keep people from messing up their only copy since they can just grab a clean one from the box.

And/or you could have a redelivery system in your store where people can grab a fresh copy of everything they ever bought from you.
Innula Zenovka
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11-03-2009 10:17
From: LittleMe Jewell
There is a very well know hair designer that uses those same scripts. I have a friend that intentionally rezzes her hair on the floor when she gets bored -- just to annoy the maker.
Ah.. at last a really good use for temp rezzers!
Phil Deakins
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11-03-2009 10:36
From: Blaze Nielsen
As a creator, I chose to make my items no mod after considerable evaluation. Ofcourse, the "dont' want anybody to mess with my design" factor was a tiny part of it, the real reason for my store is this: Modifiable items increase the customer service time required significantly. We've evaluated similar items in our store, some mod and some no mod. The time required for me to spend on dealing with problems with mod items was considerably more than the no mod stuff. So, when you multiply that time by over 500 items for sale, you have to make a tough choice. Lose some sales to the "no mod" haters, or significantly free up your time to spend creating new products. The choice was easy for me.
Your sums are wrong :)

You don't multiply the problems by over 500 items for sale - you count the number of problems there are. I.e. you can have over 500 items for sale but only item is sold each day. It doesn't matter how many items are for sale. I have around 1000 for sale, and I do deal with those problems from to time, but it wouldn't make much difference to the number of problems if I had 2000 items for sale. Of course, there are going to be more problems when items are mod, but not overwhelmingly so, and I would think that more sales will be had if the items are mod than if they are not - expecially with clothing.
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Kokoro Fasching
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11-03-2009 10:52
I for one like the resize scripts, as long as they are the version with the DELETE button. Then I can use them to get close, fine tune manually, and then delete them, leaving a backup copy with the script in my inventory.

The ones that do not allow me to delete the resize script I end up just deleting the entire mess.

Actually, I bought the creators version of the resize script system I like best, and usually will just by mod items, put the script in, use it for rough downsizing/adjust, fine tune, then delete it.
Jig Chippewa
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11-03-2009 11:12
Whenever I get a script I use pink highliner to make sure I'm getting my share of lines. So I suggest using a pink highliner.
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11-03-2009 11:17
From: Lissie Rumble
the worst one EVER was a pair of boots made by a well known neko designer.

I rezzed them on the floor at home (I dunno why, I just did. I was messing about!) and it came up with a message saying that I was about to steal, and my name was logged and the creator messaged!

Then, I had an IM from the creator the next moment asking what I was doing with 'her' boots!

Unbelievable.

Surely if I buy a pair of boots I should be allowed to rezz them, wear them on my head, use them as a toilet, anything I like.

Needless to say I shan't be shopping with her again. I'd publicly shame her but that's probably a no-no, even if she did call me a thief.
Would it be a breech of Community Standards to publicly post, "Everyone please go to xxxx store and buy yyyy boots"... along with a "suggestion" that we all take our purchases home and rez them on the floor?

Yes, I'm evil. :D
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11-03-2009 11:25
From: Jig Chippewa
Whenever I get a script I use pink highliner to make sure I'm getting my share of lines. So I suggest using a pink highliner.
Doesn't help if the script's no mod.
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11-03-2009 11:29
From: Jig Chippewa
Whenever I get a script I use pink highliner to make sure I'm getting my share of lines. So I suggest using a pink highliner.
Is "highliner" anything like "eye liner" and if so, I don't think I would want to use pink.
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Jack Abraham
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11-03-2009 12:01
I wouldn't be quite so annoyed at copyable items with resize scripts if the scripts could be deleted. It's an unnecessary annoyance, but at least I'd be able to move from sim to sim without dragging destruction and woe in my wake.

I make a multi-gadget, and our HUD component is no-mod. It is so specifically because, in early versions, users were inordinately fond of modifying it, breaking it, and asking for support. The component worn and visible in-world is mod, for the reasons cited elsewhere on the thread.
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11-03-2009 12:04
From: LittleMe Jewell
Is "highliner" anything like "eye liner" and if so, I don't think I would want to use pink.
I think she means highlighter.
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11-03-2009 12:18
From: Marianne McCann
No, everyone will blame LL. :-/

This, I'm afraid.

There are simply too many people on the grid who, through ignorance of just how much of one's rights of fair use these scripts take away, genuinely believe resize scripts are a wonderful convenience.
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11-03-2009 12:21
So did anyone else get a Journey song going through their head from the thread title?
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11-03-2009 14:51
From: Lissie Rumble
the worst one EVER was a pair of boots made by a well known neko designer.

I rezzed them on the floor at home (I dunno why, I just did. I was messing about!) and it came up with a message saying that I was about to steal, and my name was logged and the creator messaged!

Then, I had an IM from the creator the next moment asking what I was doing with 'her' boots!


Oh I had great fun with one of those. I bought some hair from one of the few places that does overly script hair, you'd know the one.

It was actually male hair and modify (great) but wouldn't go small enough. No problem, I thought, i'll put in a "find smallest prim and make it a bit bigger" script so I rezzed it.

Poof... Shouted that I was a content thief in the sandbox in several languages and self deleted.

You might guess that pissed me off and started my onslaught. I wore the hair, turned off scripts, rezzed it, added my own script to replicate to all prims and delete all scripts in all prims to hunt out this "anti Sassy" script. I then continued to modify.

I couldn't leave it there though, I felt like pointing out to the script creator that her script didn't work, she said "she didnt care, it had stopped so much copying which was good"... err... how? anyone capable of copying that would have NO trouble removing her flawed, ineffective script. Her response, IM me again, i'll report you for harassment. My response, "fine, i'll AR for fraud, selling a product that doesn't work!"

Not finished yet, still on my mini rant, I did point out to the creator of the hair (purchaser of the script) that I hoped they didn't spend much on it, it didn't work and I did let them know all that I had to do and that I was their latest EX-CUSTOMER.

*shrugs* Some may argue that I should have just left it but no.. not in my world sorry! :)

Oh and modify clothing layers can be important to change the hem especially when it's covered by something else and also for pants where they might be flared but I want to wear them with boots and thus tucked in.
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11-03-2009 15:11
From: Innula Zenovka
Ah.. at last a really good use for temp rezzers!



That's so evil.
Sassy Romano
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11-03-2009 15:49
no, the scripts are evil, they're just begging for this. Feel free to IM me any shops where I can get "phone home" on rez products :)
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11-03-2009 16:13
From: Tiffy Vella
That's so evil.
And therefore totally delightful.

:D
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