How Do i get money on here

To say that new players are not ready to DJ is just not true. Our avatars were born yesterday, but we were not. I was only a week old when I started hosting. I do not see it as work. I was going to the club anyways. It also led me to meet lots of people. I figure why not make some linden while having fun. The guy that I work with right now started SL a week ago and he is DJing now and he is good at it. He may not know what an AO is but he is going to have a better chanve finding out at the club working rather than being ignored inworld by a bunch of snobs. By the way the first thing i bought my av on day two was an AO and a pair of cute boots. I dont like buying lindens and i dont have to. i currently have over 7000 Linden all earned with my personality. I have a free home, a free shop for my photography business, and an inventory of armidi, minnu and such because I stumbled into a SL job that offered training to noobs, and I took advantage of it.

Almost a whole two dollars! A dollar an hour is great . . . if you're a kid in a sweatshop in China.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. Of course the new players are not as new as their avatars and a lot of them have a lot more experience with music or dj'ing in RL than plenty of long time residents, but it's not a matter of their talent or knowledge. It's a matter of them not being used to the SL interface, and in order to do a good job as a DJ you need to be able to use the interface properly.

Some people may pick that up quicker than others - you and your friend certainly might have, and you might be the exception, but most people don't and most aren't ready to DJ until they get some specialized training, figure stuff out themselves, or are otherwise more experienced. You also mentioned that you stumbled into a job that was willing to train you. Most newbs don't get that lucky. They have to figure it out on their own.

Your statement about people being a bunch of snobs isn't really relevant to whether a new user is ready to DJ in a club or not. You might be hanging out in the wrong places, because that hasn't been my SL experience at all. I feel like I was welcomed into SL and made friends very quickly, even when I was only a week old and couldn't figure out some of the very basic controls.

To some creating in world and out IS playing, I sort of like knocking some prims together to see what I come up with. If I tire, then pack it up and fly away.
Did the DJ bit and hosting for a while and quickly bored of the demands. When I first started SL I camped, at that time there weren’t so many bots about and you actually chatted as you dance/sat. I learned a lot back then and made many friends. Its personal preferences I would suppose as it is in anything in life, now I just goof around and try to help the new users of SL. You know that old adage: “Your world, your imagination” do what ever makes you happy.

You calling Trout a snob?

/me rolls up her sleeves...

omg, yeah! That Trout is a horrible snob! Stay away from him!


*hides from Oryx*

/me spreads a dab of Grey Poupon on his imported Spanish ham sandwich with the crusts daintily removed, takes a sip of Organic, Free Trade Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee and sniffs haughtily while looking down his nose at all of the inferior people.



I don't think he meant me. I'm pretty low-brow.

Perfumed ponce!


(anyone who hasn't seen Withnail and I, go about your business)

This thread is way off topic now - But I have to say that there is absolutely NO SL-BASED SKILL you need to know to DJ in SL except 'right click and sit'.

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Then how can you justify offering classes in DJ'ing?

I've explained right click and sit to people for 20 minutes straight and they've had a hard time with it. Lindal witnessed me trying to explain to a guy how to change his hair for a solid half hour the other night. Right click, wear...no, right click. It's the button on the RIGHT side of the mouse. No...that was right click attach to pelvis. Now look where your hair is. Your pelvis is a different part of your body than your skull, just like in real life...etc.

I know new people can learn to DJ and do a great job at it. But someone fresh off of Help Island who can't even work the chat button? They aren't ready for any job just yet. Give them a couple weeks - or give them a class and a week. If I owned a club, I would be very skeptical of someone who was fresh off of Help Island (and wasn't an alt). You're the club expert, not me, but I figure if they can barely chat, there's a chance they aren't going to be a great DJ and therefore, my guests aren't going to have as good a time as I want them to = bad for my business.

which brings us back to the original topic - my opinion, with which people are free to disagree, is that new residents are well served by buying $10 to $20 worth of Lindens rather than trying to earn them camping, filling out surveys, or even working at a legitimate job like DJ'ing or hosting. It gives them a little spending money and lets them get used to the culture of Second Life and how people interact inworld before they decide what they want to do for Lindens - work, create, buy, whatever.

Hi, kalley, and welcome to the mad house

Slingo and games like them have been given the offical OK as being games of skill and not being paid out based on a random number and are therefore not gambeling. I am not familiar with these games at all so I can't comment on them. If you can make money playing slingo I'm sure someone can correct me, but most games are around as a way to take money from the customer, not pay it out.

There are places with games -- Sara Nerd's freebie place comes to mind -- where you can play games and earn a few pennies if you win but since you do not pay in, you are not gambeling. The point of these games is to entice people to hang out and interact with others. It's good for the business to have real traffic and real people having real interaction has a way of generating more. Camping chairs without the tedium.

I teach a desk-top program - not Second Life. I use Second Life to display the screen shots of the desktop program and I use SL voice to take them through the set-up. Once we hear music they 'right click and sit' on the DJ animation ball. Done.
Not true. We get 5 per week who run off of Help Island and MUST be a virtual DJ immediately. And they go through the training, encode in SL and start working within two days. It is not as complex as you make it out to be. If the curriculum is written in easy-to-follow- steps anyone can teach it and learn it. (I only teachin English but we do have some French, German, Dutch and Spanish instructors at time) We all use the same curriclum and the same screen shots. We drag arrows we made out of prims (I should get some sculpty ones) across the large screen shots on the wall to help the students follow the class. I provide a student shoutcast stream so they can encode at the end of the 90 minute lesson. Done.

What comes out of their computers is what determines if they are a good dj or not - and that cannot be determined until they know how to use the software and broadcast.

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Yeah it doesn't take much skill to right click and sit on a poseball. But we all know that DJing is quite a bit more than that.

Granted you don't teach real DJing, you know mixing and beatmatching, song selection and flow of the tracks.... you're school shows people how to use SAM (which is a substandard tool to start with ) to crossfade songs. Winamp does that without any training and even less interaction. If you need someone to teach your DJs how to use a real program and actually learn to mix, I'm available for tutoring.

Let's not forget that alot of us are still using vinyl (myself included) and so in this instance SAM is a complete failure for this task.

To be clearer you could call your school 'SAM School" or something so people know they aren't actually learning to be a DJ, simply how to connect their software to SL (which is also freely available at shoutcast.com without spending hours in a school).

Wow...not sure how you got from Trout's suggestions to DJing being better than being ignored by a "bunch of snobs." It's not an either/or. If one is being ignored by snobs....moving on to another area would be my choice. Also not saying DJing (or any job) soon is bad either...just agree with Trout that a newcomer to SL may benefit from taking time to get the lay of the land so to speak.

And speaking of snobs...one person's Armidi may be another's snob, eh?

...and, unless they are strictly running through a playlist, personality, the ability to engage people, make them welcome and comfortable in the particular venue, quite a bit of multi-tasking ability as confirmed from the seasoned DJ's I know, some wit, etc. none of which can really be "taught."