How Do i get money on here

Tier payers, of course. That is why they established tier - to monetize SL so they could hire high-end developers and keep the lights on. Linden Lab makes a modest income from charging for the LindenX exchange - but overall people buying Lindens does not contribute to Linden Labs income that much. People opening stores, venues and other SL business' do buy Linden to start and expand their business' I do not suggest the casual user to buy Lindens when they can easily earn $500L in two hours. If someone wants to be in RP Heaven - buying starships and gadgets - then I guess they could support their habit with purchased Lindens if they wanted to. The casual Barbie and Ken who just go to clubs and socialize just do not HAVE TO buy Lindens to get by here. I think that that is a plus for Second Life. Ones social time can be self-sustainable on a certain level.

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500 L$ in two hours - if I'm not mistaken that's like 1.8 U$?

Oh wow, that means each of my bathroom breaks while working in real life is worth two hours of dancing in Second Life. It looks like I'll keep getting my Lindens at Dutch Exchange.

Now if you were a Chinese sweatshop worker, I can see how you want to get a job in Second Life. 250 L$ an hour for them is enough to buy enough rice for a whole week.

If nobody buys L$, nobody can sell L$, inworld businesses cannot pay their tier from what they earn (let alone other bills that they might be paying) and thus they tier down or stop and LL gets less. (To state the obvious a little.)

Yeah the money has to come from somewhere Lindens don't just appear out of thin air, someone had to purchase them. The fact is that is all you want to do is socialize and play the game as such then buying lindens is certainly preferable to getting a job where you will be harassed and abused, get lots of IMs from sick weirdos who are looking for more than kicking it in a nightclub.

No doubt.

One SL "boss", who I worked for (for peanuts and endless stupid meetings to decide and decree policy, cos well you know, dancing and hosting is as intense as national security apparently, for some) wanted to control who we could be involved with on a romantic level in SL. I quit, and I can't stand that whole scene anymore.

RETIRED!

I though Linden bears brought L$...you know, kinda like the Easter bunny with eggs?

totally. I'm so glad I went through that 3l33t boot camp for dancers and hosts or I never would have been able to pull it off. thank god I moved on to creating and selling things because that other stuff was just too much like work. xD

Pfffft. Silly there's only one bear. =P

No doubt about this.

Simple, if you want fun.. buy lindens. Otherwise you can grind on camp chairs for pennies an hour or stress over events, etc.

I respect good SL djs very much. The crap they deal with is a lot to go through for the money they get. Don't even get me started on Dancers and the sleaze that stalks them and thinks they are there just to bump pixels with them. If you love drama and want to stress go these routes.

If you create and sell you are getting into a tough business too. But I have done both DJ and Store owner and I can tell you I liked the store ownership way better. DJing can be fun but only if you are lucky enough to get a professional club owner and not these wanna be mafia kiddies who think they are God's gift to Second Life.

As it stands now when I need lindens, I get about 10 bucks worth and that sets me up for awhile. I have tons of stock I can still sell, but don't actively because I decided my first life was about the toiling and my Second one should be more fun.

You are new.. don't go making career choices just yet. Learn SL and see what people go through who do anything from Camp Chairs to Land Ownership and decide what way you want to go.. if you do. You don't have to have a SL career.. that is for First Life unless you enjoy it and want it in SL too.

Good luck and welcome to SL and the forums.

boy that's the honest truth.



but it's $500L for two hours, so totally worth it. =P



Haha I love that I'm so stealing 'mafia kiddies'.



I agree. I still DJ but only because I enjoy DJing. I mix electronica (DnB) though which is a different ballgame than taking IMs from everyone for songs. It's not about the money though it's about loving to mix.

As Mac says, there's a tons of stuff you can do in SL don't get tied down to something lame because you're eager to get lindens in your account. Truth be told there is so much good content that's inexpensive or free you can spend quite a good deal of time shopping around without spending a dime.

Indirectly they do, because they are buying those L$ from the tier payers, who use the US$ they earn to pay their tier.

If the L$ buyers weren't there, the "tier payers" wouldn't be earning their tier back from their stores, and many of them would sell their land.

It's true that the social tier payers, who don't run stores or similar things - or if they do, fund them from their own pocket - are also an important revenue stream for LL. But having the attitude that you should be able to do everything in SL for free is wrong. For SL to be a business, US$ have to go in from _somebody_ and not come out.



Why work for two hours to earn less than US$2? The attitude among many new people, that they must not buy L$ because if they do they are a "loser" compared to the people who earned them, is incredibly negative. A business can't survive by telling its prospects that only losers become paying customers!

QFT.

I *AM* a business owner. And yet, some of my own money goes into SL every month. Maybe I am not as successful as some, who make enough to cover tier and their own expenses. Still, I don't feel like a "loser."

Can I ask where this alleged attitude that those who don't earn money in world are "losers" is eminating from? I've never felt it.

It comes from 3l33t3st, uptight people who like to place themselves above the whole of the community simply because they own some land and a club or whatever. It's just like RL in that respect, some people just have no flippin tact or general respect for the people that provide them with their income (by purchasing lindens they use to buy services and goods from said 3l33t3st peoples).

xD

I blame a lot of that on how LL pushes SL. Personally anyone thats not been inworld at least a week and asks me how to make money in SL I will either ignore or simply say CC.

The entire Second Life Economic system is built around you buying your Lindens. Whether Directly or through a Premium account.

OF course you might do something else to obtain Lindens that other people have bought.



In the end though people need to lose the whole "I'm not buying Game money" mentality.

In-world it's always been "no payment info" accounts who start ridiculing when I point out that I simply buy L$.

I've seen quite a few mentors spoonfeed newbies that buying L$ is something they shouldn't be doing as well since there are "better ways" .

I'm a Mentor, and that's the first thing I tell them to do when they ask where to get Lindens. Avoid camping and survey scams, maybe check out the money trees because you might see something interesting, go have fun with freebies, and BUY YOUR LINDENS. Don't bother with a job or a sho or anything until you get used to SL, you have done a little shopping, you know how things work and are ready for the commitment, and that includes DJ'ing.

New users have a hard time figuring out how to make an AO work (or what an AO is) and to think they are ready to DJ is preposterous. They need time to learn the ropes, and they need to buy a few Lindens.

It comes from advice along the lines of "why spend real money when you can get L$500 in two hours?"

Worst of all, it comes from _other newbies_.

Yep, I can easily skip one lunch at McDonalds and use the money to buy $10 worth of L$ in a matter of minutes. So, what's your point?

I don't own a business in SL, I don't make textures, etc, etc, etc. I figure what I can afford on entertainment budget and buy my L$ and pay my tier out of that. So that makes me a loser? Or, because I own a piece of virtual land maybe that makes me an elitist?

I have always purchased mine and I always intended to do it that way. I don't want to work, I do enough of that in RL.

Surely it's a personal choice and there is no right or wrong. If you want to work, then work, if you have the know how. If you are clever, make stuff, if you can afford it, buy them.

Whatever our in-world experiences or preferences are, surely that's the point, personal preference.

Why is there always people on these boards who have to lecture those who don't happen to have the same opionion as them.

There is no right or wrong way, do what you want to do and what you know how to do and just enjoy.

Hey,if someone wants to work in SL have at it. After all, their work gives me a place to spend the Lindens I buy. But personally, I work enough in real life. I'm not going to do it in my Play Life.

What about games?... I know that gambling is banned. Yet I still see the random slingo or DMC machines. I don't understand if they still have payouts.... or if they are really just for fun.

And of course because half of them believe $1L = $1US, it sounds like a good thing till they decide to try cashout their money to pay the RL rent.

Me either. The only thing I can think of is that SL somewhere before I arrived (or even now and I missed it) was promoted or thought of or somehow got the rep for being a place to earn big money fast.

I came from the gaming background that someone else alluded to and spent like $25.00 for the initial game, then expansion packs every 6 months or so when the developers added new content (read - new monsters to kill), PLUS had to pay a monthly fee of 14.95 USD monthly just to play - whether I was on 24/7 or not at all for the month.

So to not have to purchase SL and get inworld for free was amazing to me. Purchasing lindens never adds up to what I used to spend playing EQ - to basically grind out endless levels to get more "spells"...over and over again.

EDIT TO ADD: About a month ago I was in the lobby of a SL school perusing the classes when I heard in chat, "Hi, I'm new. How do I make money? Some1 said I could get rich in SL. Is this where u learn?" I cringed then relaxed when I realized he was speaking to someone else. Checked his profile...rezzed that day. I didn't get the impression from the ensuing conversation with others who answered him that he was an alt being silly....so, someone is telling people - "Get Rich in SL" apparently.