Ageplay Banned?

Absolutely! This should have been posted in the blog, not passed about on a notecard. THAT bothers me a lot.

Kam

I think handing out a notecard is harmless. I get notecards all the time. Read them.. take a thought as if it pertains to you abusing the rules and go about your business. If you chose to ignore their reasoning, then face possible punishment. If your doing nothing wrong.. then simply reply to them to confirm if your doing something questionable. They probably send these out on some sort of bulk level based on key strings they run across or complaints. Its only fair that they give you a warning of the possibility of you abusing SL. It comes down to if your abusing it.. you know it. If your not.. why worry really?

Why am I getting flamed? I stated what I believe and I have to get this back? I never mentioned Marilyn Manson or shooting up schools...........nor did I imply any such thing. Please don't tell me and others what I believe............you do not know unless I tell you. And right now the only thing I'm telling you is that you are way off base and are showing your stupidity.

While age play is not my cup of tea. What bothers me is Second Life is supposed to be what we the community imagines, creates, and owns. There are allot of things that people do in SL that i don't personally agree with so i don't participate. But when LL takes steps to remove something from SL it hurts everyone and we all loose. Today its age play tomorrow it will be Furries, or BDSM. Once you go down this road of trying to control the actions its a slippery slope.

Difference between those mentioned is.. BDSM while not my bag is legal... furries, well the only thing that can explain this one is cosplay, but you get my picture.

The problem is the linden who sent this notecard used completely LEGAL comments, which mean if they enforce it they will have to enforce the local states ban on GAMBLING AND CASINOS as well, otherwise be open to a lawsuit of bias.

why? who is going to sue over the right to pretend to have sex with a pretend kid or as a pretend kid in an online game?

You may not like the lack of consistancy but I think the Lindens are pretty safe legally on this.

Not to mention many States still have laws on the books that consider Gay Sex a crime. Will the Creators send Notecards to Gay themed businesses next?

Actually there is a national law for online casinos and gambling. Again this also could follow under the laws of California.

I will send a legal notice if they press this ageplay ban through in respect to local laws, and a casino is clogging sims I visit, to get rid of the casinos.

If they ban one thing based on local laws, ban them all.

w/e

Just clarifying but am I to assume correctly that you are for sex with minors?

Currently the mere act of using a alterred shape in a online game to simulate child sex is not illegal in California either. Therefore, if this were based on California statutes - there is no legal case.

And no, not for sex with minors, against the online casinos in sl and the massive camping. And against biased uses of law.

Way the copies of the note looked, it seemed to be based on community standards, nt on a law. It may well have been prompted by concerns over potential test cases, but that isn't how they phrased it.

fwiw, I think banning sexual ageplay is a GOOD THING.

Community standards also hold you don't clog a sim with 40 avs 24/7 and lag the entire sim to run a casino with camping chairs.

Your point?

Don't apply it to one thing if you don't want to apply it to another equally covered item.

I think banning sexual ageplay is a bad thing..its their kink. Banning these resource hogs that don't let other businesses run, or people have friends over..or use their land.. I'm all for that being gone.

No but sexual acts with a minor either rendered, photographed or recorded is. Thats like saying I have child porn but I didn't create it so I am ok.

So is runnign a casino, under California law.

If they do get rid of ageplay I will use the legal and CS precedent to rid sims of choking casinos.

Can you provide a credible reference where online casinos are illegal in California?

(This should be entertaining...)

Not based on the laws of those states as such laws were struck down by the Supreme Court in 2003. They still may be on the books, but they are unenforceable. You can read the majority decision here:

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/02pdf/02-102.pdf

HOWEVER, if the Community were to decide that homosexuality was undesirable in SL, then yes, the same logic that permits SL to ban advertising of age play could be used to ban advertising of same-sex groups and businesses. "Your World, Your Imagination" is deeply rooted in community standards, and if the community standards say same-sex relationships are wrong, LL would be justified in taking the same steps with the gay community as it has with the ageplay community.

However, it's difficult to believe that being located in SF that even the Lindens would try something like that.

Kam

lol valid point and reference to SF. +1 on the forums for you

Federal - supercedes any state allowance -

Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 (enacted into federal law Oct 13th, 2006)

A snippet..

Bets and Wagers

Section 5363 does not make it illegal for a mere player to make bets or wagers. Rather, the Act applies only to those involved in the business of betting or wagering. Section 5262 defines a bet:

1. 
   
   as the staking or risking of property in order to win something of value based on the outcome of:
   1. a contest of others
      
      
   2. a sporting event, or
      
      
   3. a game subject to chance
      
      
   
   
2. the purchase of a chance to win a lottery or other prize the award of which is predominantly subject to chance
   
   
3. the making of a wager prohibited under the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act, or
   
   
4. as including "any instructions or information pertaining to the establishment or movement of funds by the bettor or customer in, to, or from an account with the business of betting or wagering."
   
   

The problem is one of the things Directly being said as don't do is havening a under age, age listed in your profile. A persons profile to to simplify things some times. Having to go and say I am 4 years old every time I meet a new person would be a problem, but hey I could just put it in my profile, Like I could put that I am a vixen, a Kitsune, Slave to who ever, mate, Ohh and the one official one of partner. and not have to explain the basics of who I am, it is faster to talk about your self to a person then it is to type it up every time. But we don't have voice chat in sl and I don't think that it should be a requirement so we have a profile to say who we are.

How is stating that I am such a age a problem?

what teen/preteen goes around on-line and says they are when they have already lied once and said they where over 18. Seems that only adults who are looking to fulfill a fantasy would put anything under 18 as a age.

I would also like to state that All Profiles say that we are under age. They have the Nice wonderful Born stat that says I am just under 2 years old.

If you go to a mature sim the gloves come off by going to that sim you are saying that you are willing to accept what ever happens there. Be it Some one taking a slice of of someone splattering blood over a 20m radius, Someone taking a Piss in someones mouth, furies with massive breasts squirting milk, children siting on a merry go round with particle smoke because someone forget to get changed. A sex cub made for small avatars, Virtual rape pose balls, Massive Robotic avatars using normal sized avatars as sex toys. Hopefully you can look at the description of the place to know where you are going and what you are stepping into.

By forcing it underground you are setting your self up to walk into it unwillingly. If some random new child avies decided to look for sexual things and ended up at one of the many popular places with sexual animations, and decided to sit on a pose ball, oh no you just saw child porn you might go to jail. While if It was possible to do a search and advertise such thing that person might have never ended up there, and instead ended up at a Child sex Dungeon with people who are into that and you would know you TPed there.

You make the choices where you go. You make the choices of what you see. Why not have informed choices.

BTW I also remember a time that someone tried to complain that No sexual age play was no ok in a PG area. A interesting point to anyone who is worried about cashed images, the only places where you are likely to get such images that you need to worry about is at places of sale, and those can be avoided if they are marked. If you get close to my house and I happen to be a child avatar havening sex with my daddy avatar you get a bunch of unassociated data, not graphic depictions unless you are looking into my house and taking screen captures. and well if that is what turns you on.

And I still ask the question what are you afraid of?

Another relevation - California law also make sit illegal to accept money in exchange for sex acts. Goodbye prostitution in SL

I agree Peggy, and also Desmond.

Especially with the last paragraph relating to virtual fantasy. Thanks for having the courage to also say this

For those of us who own property on private Estate Islands it may well be worthwhile asking the Sim owner to state his or her views on this in the seperate covenent.

A clear ban on sexual role play with child avatars within an Island covenent would go a long long way to normalising the position

Yeah.So it should.