Ageplay Banned?

That is what LL has done. Age play is not banned, but the public display of age play is. I guess they want to just force it underground.

But where is the line drawn there? Do we dispatch citizens brigades to walk around and angle their camera views into private houses/areas to search for kid AVs?

I know, I'm arguing a theoretical point though.


I'm still not convinced this is official LL policy however.

Trust me there are already busy bodies whose sole purpose and enjoyment in SL is to AR others. I swear it is the only reason they log in it seems.

I dont know that answer.

I know there are things that are violations - Theres nothing stopping people from uploading those things either but if someone sees it they can AR it.

Like if someone uploaded a child porn image to Second Life - Its Abuse reportable now , it always has been.

But someone could have uploaded it and gone undetected for a while , im sure.

It is. I have talked to some of the Lindens in world and they confirmed it. If you can't trust a Linden who can you trust?

Well again, if this is official policy should it not be posted on the Linden blog? What of those who are playing adult AVs today, but tomorow decide to try their hand at a child AV? They're probably not going to get the notecard.

I don't see any harm in seeing people role playing as kids. I see people role playing as all sorts of things in SL. You think thats sick? Try looking at some of the griefers! Before they orbit you that is... Sexual activity in public no matter what you are is a no no. However i am referring to those who don't do it for that reason. They are taking the wrath for what a couple people have done. Just because 1 guy does something doesn't mean all guys do it.

I think LL are trying to do this on the quiet. Intervene when landowners are advertising inappropriate activities etc.

I suspect they're afraid of the massive backlash they'd get for regulating community if they put this on the blog.

I usually wear a child avatar, I have absolutely no interest in sex whether its in Second Life or Real Life, especially working in adult sex industry.
The strange thing is recently met a neighbor and first thing they asked "Aren't you worried about pedophiles being kid and all with all the sex addicts in SL?"
It bugs me that people automatically assume everything within SL for everyone has sex angle.
I thought the official policy is we must all be over 18, not participating in behaviors against TOS or criminal behaviors within our area and when it comes to ethiical or moral behavior SL doesn't want to be watch dogs for this behavior unless its against TOS. or local laws.

SL Insider now has a story on it too:

http://www.secondlifeinsider.com/2007/03/07/underage-crackdown/

I don't think child avs will be banned, but child avs that have "I am daddy's 8 yo little girl" in their profile might be.

That last line is very contentious and apparently we're all waiting on clarification of it's proper meaning.

Here Hear!

Someone else had a good point though about what could happen if an entire country's population suddenly had to avoid SL because of laws.

I just posted an Abuse Report on a Avatar that presented as a child prostitute in his/her profile; I would encourage everyone else who is repelled by this to do the same.

We really don't know what the affect on a potential child molester would be if he/she could act out their fantasies in virtual reality..does it encourage the growth of a desire that could be kept under control if not fed in this way?

We don't know the answer to that and by allowing it to be acted out here may be putting children at risk in RL.

Dangerous point of view. Although I am against any form of SL/RL sex involving children... but when you put it like this, I surely may hope you have no behaviour/ideas/lyfestyle/interests that commonly are seen as "not normal"..... in SL or outside of there.

Morwen.

I didnt get that impression... I got the impression that it was specifically related to sexual situations.

More BS rumors...........

Cool pass the particle torches & 30prim pitchforks the witchhunt has begun. which is the first sim we search, plunder & pilliage on our crusade of rightousness? Can we listen to Metallica whist doing it to please?

Who knows, if the person is loose here 16 hours a day playing with similar minded people it keeps them off the streets. As long as they keep it private, why hunt them?

I suspect this is one of those "get your heads down people or you'll be out" type warnings because other people will force them to put a total ban otherwise.

RL Ageplay is wrong IMO, but if it's between 2 adults , I couldn't care if it was a fridge having sex with a daffodil as long as it's not in public.

Why i don`t like talking or bring this subject uop these day sis the attention those that do this type of role playing.....Its bad enough its occuring these days at a fast rate. But those fans sites just bring more more attention to this sad and offen dark type of game play.

We really don't know whether anyone who engages in ageplay won't secretly jump to a skybox full of pose balls, so it can't be tolerated at all.

Now that we decided that online adult roleplay is on the same level as real child abuse, those creating content for that niche as just as deplorable because they indirectly profit from such abuse.

And so the witchhunts start... The moment you drop the "This or that offends me" (which is always a perfectly normal and valid viewpoint regardless) and relate it some cause that is actually reprehensible (actual child abuse) you cross a line where you're trying to impose your personal views on others.

There is no shortage of places to use the same arguement on: places that reenact fantasy rape (who knows whether it might not instill a greater desire in the attacker?), places that involve cannibalism (just yuck), PvP or guns specifically (if you like shooting people in a game who knows if someday they won't want an even bigger adrenaline rush), etc.

What's curious about the above three is that they're things I personally find offensive, and things I feel have no place in SL, along with any kind of ageplay, but I used my own personal distaste and found some greater good to claim it wasn't about me.

The grid probably would be a much better and nicer place without all those things that are mentioned, but in the end, all of the above happens between adults and doesn't actually cause any real life harm. I'd be more worried about LL's open registration making the teen grid largely irrelevant and resulting in a good deal of interaction between adults and actual children.

Well FD that was before the let the Door Open after 6/6/2006 and a flood ( allowing under 18 in the game) of teens has come in ever since........Anyways LLabs has said maybe time CC proof is not always proof the person is 18.......

usagi

The thing is, age play is being frowned upon because of what it represents, not because of what it is ie it represents sex with a minor even if the person in question is of legal age.

The problem for me (and I'm no ageplayer, trust me) is that other things are representative of illegal acts too, without actually being illegal. Can we assume therefore that LL will close the accounts of anybody glorifying shooting at people in their profiles, or who uses a weapon in a public place? I wish I could assume that, however I suspect that I can't.

Stephen, the thing that sets sexual ageplay aside from shooting, taking drugs etc in SL is that in many countries *virtually* acting out pedophilia is illegal in itself due to the potential gravity of the consequences of allowing people to be conditioned into believing it's acceptable.

What are you so afraid of?

Yes I think Photo realistic and real Child porn is wrong. Now our normal Virtual, Drawn and animated porn is a different story. Now I am not a master in statistics or done allot of research (about 30min on Google I admit) But Just looking at population vs rape statistics for the US vs Japan shows that yes the US has almost 2.3 times the population of japan but the number of rape cases is 47 times that of Japan. Yes I am sure that there are more factors than just depictions of violence that affects things, like the laws concerning guns and other weapon ownership. I have not been to Japan so anyone who has feel free to add your own comments.

But anyone who has done and looking at Japanese anime and manga sees a decent amount of violence and sexual acts, including acts with people underage. To make an other point it is not taboo to look at these acts, as it is not unheard of see someone on the train reading a Hentai manga on the way to work. If exposure to these images encouraged people doing the acts then wouldn't there be a larger number.

I would not say that exposure is a factor in some cases, but then All media has at one time or an other influenced someone who has a mental defect. But we have always thought that the freedom of people out weighted the risks to the insane. there would be nothing on tv because don't you know someone somewhere might replicate that. As has been proved by countless children who have jumped off roofs thinking that they might fly like superman. But then I would also like to state that children should not be in second life. But I guess right now we don't have to pass a test to be a adult.

I know people that for what ever reason like drawn and animated child porn (Loli and Shota) They are perfectly fine and stable people, I trust them with my children. if anything I am more worried about people who complain, or are against it. because it is always possible that they have the thoughts in there heads and the constantly build any time that they see a nude child run threw the house because clothing is in the other room or the children just don't care. and sooner or later they are going to look for an outlet and my child might be that outlet. While if for some reason my friends who look at the drawn porn have a release, and therefore in my eyes safer.

As for laws of a country it is up to you to avoid places the depict things that are illegal for you. If it was possible to Block someone from land with out them accepting the terms then I can see complaining if those where not in place. But then I think Almost all land in SL would qualify in some way shape or form. right now those descriptions that you are saying should be banned are the only thing that keeps people where laws say no safe. without those descriptions they will not know what they are walking into and are violating the law and facing possible prosecution. Currently Non physical sexual relationships for pay is legal. Even some physical relationships are Legal with the proper paper work in most if not all states and countries (Video porn) All a person is doing is letting you know that hey if you want some of what I have talk to me and we can arrange price. There are rules regarding PG vs mature sims, and mature profiles. If you are looking at something that is mature expect to see anything. Hopefully there is documentation on what to expect. but that is the problem you are wanting to ban the documentation.

The main problem is allot of the fringes of culture try to more accepting of everyone else, even when other are slinging mud at them. I have not head of a child avi going around to other sims and abuse reporting everyone because they are gor, and stating that they find it wrong. Yes ageplay exists, and is several different ways in SL. As for Sexual toys and places, don't you know they are not children they are just little people (Come on allot of the females have breasts and other bits that are of more adult per portions) so they are adult avatars acting as children and using properly sized toys and animations. Is that wrong? Is it wrong for a Normal sized avatar to be running around in diapers, acting like a child and engaging in sex? Is it wrong for two adult avitars to say things like "Who is your daddy", "You have been a bad boy", "Come here and drink mommies milk"?

The thing is also long as people are allowed to be human they will do what ever floats there boats. Be it on SL, over IM, IRC, MUDS, Websites on the net, There local Sex clubs or there bedrooms. The question is why should we restrict them. If you don't want to see virtual/drawn child porn you avoid those Web sites, Message boards, or in the case of Second life land. You always have a choice on where to go. A land owner has the right to say done come here. They have the right to own land and do what they want with it. It is there obligation to say that these things happen here if you don't want to see it keep out. Banning people because they are just letting you know who they are should not be a problem. If they are doing no harm. Show me where they are doing harm? I want proof that is on a large scale, not a this one person did this and it is all the fault of ... We have to many of those today blaming everything from video games to cartoon shows.

All that is, is proof that people need to take responsibility for there selves. When I was a child I watch Bugs bunny, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fud. It did not turn me into a freak that thinks you and drop anvils on peoples heads, shoot someone in the face with a gun, block a gun with a finger, or become a cross dresser. Those are the classics and are avoided today, while anything that is new is blamed for all our woes.

Maybe your afraid of your self.

But along the same lines, many countries have provision for allowing adults in porn to resemble teenagers, providing that they have their real details on file proving their adulthood. Given that (in theory at least*) everybody on the main grid is an adult, don't the same exceptions come into play?

* The fact that there may be minors on the main grid is a separate issue and would be a concern regardless of them taking on a childlike appearance.