Ageplay Banned?

Of course, rape is entirely impossible in SL. Both parties have to consent, if one doesn't they can simply TP away or log-off. And of course, they have to click on the pretty pink poseball anyway.

I dont think any of its really free speech even though people want it to be that.

More they want to be free to have whatever kink they want - and not be judged or made to stop - and free speech is the banner they cling to. Some of those same people wouldnt defend ACTUAL encroachments on free speech or other civil liberties.

Perhaps this is becuase actual sexual practices arent covered by the consitution. Maybe some guarantees on that could be added. It would take a less Politically Correct world. But an ammendement on that score might be valuable.

Right now there are no guarantees two consenting adults can do what they want sexually under US law - its all just clinging to either free speech or an attempt to claim privacy rights.

Its ironic that many groups that benifit from the banner of free speech , Neo-Nazis etc would love to deny that same right in others.

And like others (including me have said) LL isnt the US governemnt and can deny us free speech if they want.

I am not trying to impose anything on anyone...really, I am entitled to express my opinion as others have. Maybe you think simulated rape is fine (or maybe you don't) - and I respect your beliefs either way.

After re-reading your post and trying to understand worries around a "slippery slope" I guess I see your point on that. Admittedly, I am especially sensitive to issues around rape so it's a hot button for me. Can't help but bring one's own experiences into play here I suppose.

As for your invitation to list all my "kinks, fantasies, fetishes and general interests" - I'm not sure I understand the aggression towards me specifically. But I guess it's not for me to know.

Not me. Anthros are not animals, they're sentient beings. While the idea of sex with an Anthro doesn't do anything for me, I'm not bothered by people who engage in it. (Assuming the Anthro is being played as an adult and not as underaged.)

Kam

Rule 5 says "Indecency
Second Life is an adult community, but Mature material is not necessarily appropriate in all areas (see Global Standards below). Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M). Names of Residents, objects, places and groups are broadly viewable in Second Life directories and on the Second Life website, and must adhere to PG guidelines."
Has anyone seen some of vulgar words in search in classifed?
That not very pg and they don't do much to enforce this.
By there own rules what you do behind closed doors so to speak is your own business.
I am not condoning certain acts either way, but I don't want to be labeled a pervert because of people's assumptions of my fur or child avatars personally.
It just custom for me nothing more, nothing less. I am not having pixelated sex with anyone fury or adult.

Gosh, Gillian, maybe this quote from you is where I got that idea:



If you didn't mean that you'd like LL to ban rape play next, maybe you could explain what you did mean?

RP is one thing, but how can you tell if someone saying they are roleplaying as an adult is not just a complete jerk? So people will not only RP that they will exclude us but want LL to actually make it possible for them to discriminate and make this a rule so they don't have to do it themselves.

Tell you what, then why don't humans roleplay as animal control and lock up furries to protect the humans wandering around when a wild animal is on the loose. Or why aren't people role playing cops to bust people for getting into fights or being drunk in public or smoking weed? Oh I know why don't we Role Play that we have a job and people rping as kids have to go to school and all the other rap we have to do in real life already.

Here are the sides to this argument as I have seen it in this thread. On one side you have all those going yeah burn them at the stake, that don't mention their own kinks and think they will not be affected by this in anyway. You have the crowd that has no idea what age play is and they throw their 2 cents in the arena. You have the group that thinks its all about sex. Then you have people trying to keep their fun around in second life. Honestly, isn't second life about people being able to have fun? Griefing aside, which is always about wrecking others' fun for your own, everyone joins the game to do what they in most cases can't do in real life. They create this out of their own imagination. Thats why I joined this game, which yes it is a game, albeit an unorthodox one. We have allowed stuff like vore, gore, rape, prostitution, etc.etc. Now child pornography i am against because if its real, its exploitation of real kids, something no child should go through. But if its 2 consenting adults, which the premise this game uses they are, then let them be and lets get on with our second lives. Even if they advertise age play, no one forces you to read the ad, you do it of your own free will. No one forces anyone to participate, they must choose to do so. Stop all this over policing in a place intended for people to have fun.

fancy name for kermit the frog and ms piggy and all isnt it!

and it doesnt "do" anything for you? it *should* bloody well disgust you.. just like every other normal human being.

I attend HardKnock Elementary in-world. Other kids and teens (of the RP variety) attend DaddyChris' Daycare, Clown Town Across The World Preschool, or Kindly High School, amongst others. It's often a part of RPing as a kid, after all. An usually kinda fun.



Well said.

Mari

There is actually a fine gray line on that topic. The crime could be argued as to being under California law since the actual transmission and orgin of sexual acts with a minor occur from the originating location of LL. The gray line exists because of many cases are coming to light where digital territory exists. Lets say John was conducting sexual ageplay in new york with a person in Washington. The line isn't between two states if California's laws state that it is illegal for sexual crimes against minors or sexual acts against minors to occur in a digital manner. People in the past have been expedited internationally due to online crimes and its a great lawyer feast to debate both ends of which laws carry.

This isn't a small issue and its very responsible of SL to curve the actions of sexual behavior which may be deemed illegal somewhere within their boundaries. Morality aside in this case, even though I feel sex with minors is horrible.. this issue doesn't stop there. What if you were to res child porn on a object on your land? In California and well USA as a whole that is VERY illegal. At that point it doesn't even matter who is viewing it, LL can be in trouble for having the content located on their servers.

I have a bad feeling some people have a hard time deciphering the difference of ageplay as in playing a younger character and ageplay in its widespread term as sexual acts with a minor.

I think you missed the original post... Playing as a kid is ok. Sexual acts playing as a kid isnt.

If you're really asking me and not just trying to make an example of me for whatever reason (??), yes, if I never saw another example of "rape play" in any world, game, life, what have you, it would be too soon. This is my personal bias but also one that I think many people share as human beings that don't enjoy seeing violence in any form...

But, you're absolutely right. I have no right to impose my personal biases on anyone.

Thank you.

Lets just stop over policing second life. Child pornography is wrong if its real because that is true exploitation of children, which no child should go through. That being said, lets go back to the premise of second life, everyone is supposed to be above the age of consent anyway, as we all should be 18 or older. And grief attacks aside, which is made to ruin the fun of others for someone's personal enjoyment.
All of you out there, for this or against this measure all have something you do in second life for fun. Lets put the shoe on the other foot and say the lindens were banning something you like to do for fun, no matter how benign it is. Wouldn't you be in angry too? This is an adult game with adult situations, unless its in a PG area. So instead of trying to stop something just because of a perception of what it is, just leave it alone.
Let people have their fun. No one is forcing them to participate in this, nor are they forcing you. Lets get back to just having fun instead of trying to find ways to ruin people's fun. Lindens and all listening, just let them have their fun and stop these witch hunts. If you don't like what you see, go somewhere else, but don't tell a bunch of people they are wrong if they are doing something that is between consenting adults. This is being hypocritical and down right wrong.

No, I'm most definitely *not* keeping them locked up. Very false assumption.

I keep an eye on them and we do all kinds of stuff.


The oldest at thirteen is more street-smart and world-wise than most people, and that may be the understatement of the year.

She could show most of *you*how to get by in Bangkok, or Santiago, or Beijing or Los Angeles.

But all the experience in the world is not going to help her one bit if she's run down and overpowered.



Allowing every possible sick, heinous, disgusting, vile, socially unredeemable act imaginable in the name of freedom is simply anarchy.

No thanks.

What I find interesting about this discussion - and yes, this is being a discussion by now, not as "resident answers" post, FWIW - is that it's largely just a debate of emotions, not about the relevant issues as they apply to SL. As a resident, here's a couple of my questions - one dat other ressidents dun likely have an answer to (an so far, all repeated attempts to get *any* claification from LL has been met with silence).

An ya, I asked 'em earlier, too, kinda.

1. Why am I required to state a RL age in my profile, while *no other group* in SL is being required to provide RL information in theirs?

2. As a vendor who has, amongst her for-sale goods, a trio of kids' underwear (just underwear, folks, good ol' "Underoo" style stuff), can I advertise these items for sale?

And this one can be answered by other residents: Is it disturbing to anyone dat LL would put a notecard out like this? Seetting aside the emotional stuff around the issue, does it seems more than a litle disturbing to have a Linden tell you your business/in-world home/etc could "possibly" be in violation, or that your account could be in danger without making it clear as to what they expect of players to be *in* compliance?

Yes, I know: it's about sexual ageplay, not what I'm doing. But I also live in the real world, where witch hunts can occur, an I exist in Second Life, where I have been called a "freaky ageplayer" (with a sexual connotation I shall not include here) and have had people fire their weapons at me for no reason other than being a kid avatar.

Whether or not virtual, simulated sex between virtual beings of a specific type controlled by two real life adults is distasteful, could lead to similar RL actions, or alla dat, to me, is not the issue. I need to know my rights in this world, and I need to know specifics - until then, I know that me an otthers who RP kids are going to feel very unsafe on the grid.

Mari

P.S.: Is this image ageplay, and actionable - or just me and my mommy hugging?
http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=141779

But.............but, but "you're infringing on my rights"!!! The refrain heard incessantly on topics such as this. And if we don't like it we are often told we can simply leave. Well, I have a suggestion...........if you truly believe your 'rights" are being infringed then why not leave just as you've told me to? There is a line where someone's so call "rights" are irrevelavant. It's called common decentency. Role playing is not being banned or even frown upon but fantasies of child abuse is being curtailed.......at least on the surface. Slippery slope? I doubt it.........but if it is, at least it's slope that needs to slid down for safety of the community as a whole.

By the way, I'm one that believes virtual fantasies of child sexual behavior can encourage real life actions. One, just one, child gets molested by a sick role player is one too many............especially if that sick creep came from the ranks of SL.

Good call, Lindens.

And thank you Desmond for your summation.

Your question about why Rape Play doesnt stir up the same level of disgust as Age play is still a valid one.

Perhaps it becuase Most parents are going to hate the idea of Age Play - they are protective of their kids.

While rape is something people know is very common but pretend isnt.

The dismiss or blame the victim or they decide it doesnt effect them. Pretty much culturally ingraned - there are thousands of years of indoctrination in not speaking out against it.

Realistically, Statistically - images of rape will be more relevant and harmful to more actual residents of Second Life than Age Play images would be.

People will resist any curtailing of Rape Play though becuase it affects both the modernistic rape play areas (hard alley, etc) and Gor -though theres more rape play in Gor SL than in the books , the female slaves all were essentially very willing to have sex)

So you are one of those that believes Marilyn Manson and other music is responsible for kids shooting up their schools to huh. I take it you are also the type to encroach upon the rights of the many to prevent the actions of one.

I agree with you on that last sentence. But, SL sexual ageplay makes as much pedo's IRL as Grand Theft Auto makes murderers in RL and Gor brings back RL slavery.

One is one too may yes... But there are more causes of horrible events far more likely then harmless, play pretend.

What bothers me is any business or person who gears or wears products that resembled children is assumed to be having sex as a child and is condider participating in form of pedophila.
Same goes with furries others equate or assume it is form of beastiality.
What about Gor and BDSM or banning gay oriented business next for moral reasons?
I realize not everyone likes or even appreciates the same things but where does it end.
Anyway its not like anyone here cares or those who need to be educated will get it so I will end and not return to the thread here.

Those are very good questions Marianne, and I think you deserve better answers.

I personally think simply pretending to be a kid such as you do is harmless.


Possibly they want to have 'probable cause' grounds for investigation of real minors. Such as if a real 15 year old were to say: "I'm really fifteen" in their profile.

I can understand that; such a person should not be on the main grid.

Perhaps, for the really dense who can't discern the difference, a single line saying "this is a role play character" under the first life tab might do the trick for the Company, I don't know.

Doesn't seem fair that you would have to give your real age in your profile, especially since they should have it on file already.

I hate to be a weenie on this but I will quote myself! I think we all have common ground that playing as kids isnt a problem. Its the sexual acts or display while rping as a child isn't cool with us. Am I far from the truth guys?

Very true i think the vast majority of us are okay with the second childhood type roleplayers. Its the sex that is offensive.