Google's version of Virtual Reality

Nope, because motivation can come from improvement too. The problem is when people believe they can't even improve.

Ok, just once more, I promise.

Yumi, what is your solution then?

Ask people initially what they want to do and alter their percieved environment client-side so that they do it.

You cannot cure envy. And that is basically what it is.

In SL you can: the client could simply not render the things that make the person envious.

But I don't think envy is so much the issue. You're right that SL can't make everyone talented, but it can avoid people of unknown talent feeling shut down by the _existing_ talented people.

How is the client supposed to know what is and isn't excellent work? Blacklist every moderately decent creator, of which there are many? That means you would blacklist almost every store in SL, if not all of them.

I wouldnt be worried.

To me it's like apples and oranges: They might be both fruit but I'm allergic to one of them.

Any tried ExitReality or 3DExplorer?

A person who's envious, isn't necessarily envious of all excellent work. I think it's usually more involved than that.

In any case, "blacklisting" work that makes them envious would be a lower priority than helping them improve (if they wanted to).

I found myself thinking the same. The pop-up when customizing my character was covering too much of the screen, and everything had an early beta-feeling to it, but I am certain the Google devs know what they do and that Google will vastly improve it during the next couple of months / years. It was a bit fun at first, but it felt like playing with a "My First Sony" tape deck compared to the infinite possibilities that SL offers us.

oo great analogy



Thanks for pointing us to the videos, those were interesting to see since I haven't checked out this Lively directly. Also, this line from your blog post is so very good:

"There [was]... some other guy letting everyone know that his dick was hard. Well that part did remind me of SL"

=(0.o)=

How dare you try to get in the way of a person's personal choice! It's a person's RIGHT to cover up their laziness by claiming they're feeling shut down by the folks who've actually gone out and done something.

Actually, this is a very interesting paradox: laziness (amongst other things) could be described as a tendancy to make self-sabotaging personal choices, in which case bypassing them could actually make a person more free, not less.

Also, laziness isn't the only reason why people might not build - expectation of failure is another. There have been several new people on these forums saying that they didn't think of learning to build because there were better people already building everything. Now, they might be wrong, but still they picked up that idea from somewhere. And I suspect that there were others, who didn't think to post on the forums or anywhere else where they could be told they were wrong.

"Could be" described that way, sure. But changing the definition of a word doesn't change the reality.
Again, it's about personal choice. The choice to not test and expectation, the choice to consider other's skills as a reason not to try one's own, etc. With personal choice comes responsibility. It is not up to others to modify thier choices so those feeling down about themselves can feel better.

Maybe having a 3D chat world with really lousy graphics and no user content is a good thing. With everything looking bad, and no way to make your own, people won't have to become despondent about their lack of ability and drive, and can just say to themselves, "if only we could make stuff here, I'm sure I'd be great at it" and feel all proud about the great stuff they'd make if only they could.

There is a huge difference between lack of equal opportunity and lack of effort.

If one fails to acheive one's potential due to lack of equal opportunity, then that is a social injustice.

If one fails to acheive one's potential due to lack of effort, then that is a sign that the world is operating in a logical and completely just manner.

Now, if a virtual world like Lively were really going to cater to the lack-of-effort crowd, I would be wary of declaring their success in winning over that target group to be a great business triumph. There may be exceptions; but overall, the lack-of-effort crowd tend not to have lots of money to spend on Lively, Google, or Google's advertisers. The lack-of-effort crowd is not a coveted demographic.

I just signed up as Argos.Hawks. I guess I'm not popular enough to have my name already taken. It looks interesting, but still obviously has a lot of problems. I set up a basic room to reserve the name I wanted, and tried going to the Linden Labs room. Instead of switching the room I was in, it left me where I was and opened a new window to put me at the Linden Labs room. I could see where that could be a handy option at times, but I only wanted to run 1 instance of Lively, especially after seeing how 2 crashed my computer.

I'd expect to see user created content by the end of the year, possibly within a month or two. They're just starting out, but you can see that they've got plans to do a lot more with it. I'm sure they just want to put it out in the most basic form and see what breaks down before they enable a lot of the bells and whistles. I wouldn't be worried about them replacing SL any time soon, but considering the source, it's definately worth keeping an eye on.

Nvm.

Lol... just tried out Lively and the first thing that happened was that I was griefed! Are we SURE Linden Labs hasn't had a hand in this?

My name was grabbed - maybe somebody trawled this forum??

I'm "Amy.Stork1" in Lively

Well... I spent a few minutes in the Linden Lab room. My avatar wouldn't quit emoting and could never find out why. There was a "guy laugh" emote that someone found that just sounded silly and perverted. We all made fun of it. I saw Pathfinder Linden there. The chat bubbles were so scattered about the screen, I couldn't keep up with a conversation. Moving around used one of the wonkiest methods I've ever seen. And I was shivering with the urge to rez a prim and start texturing and torturing it. (=_=)

Thanks but no thanks, Google. (=_=)

I can't even get into the thing it just crashes every time

I thought you were a Mac user?

The only macs I use are dirty brown ones when i hang around on street corners

ohhh, that's a Mac Abuser.