Im no prude but...

I was lookin for new animations the other day..and wandered into a bed store..they didnt seem familiar and the menus looked nothingl ike id seen before- which made me curious.

Sooo i hopped on one and started working my way through the menu...I was completely astounded when i found it contained such animations as "shoot the bitch" where the male av shot the female and she falls down to the bed unmoving presumably dead. another was "punch her out" a head thumping animation...and on and on...really very violent and quite abhorent to me. I looked at a few other *pieces* whilst i was there...pretty sickening...mostly violent...

Is this REALLY allowed? Im kinda broadminded...but it worried me ...

Fai xx

If mature lot yes it is allowed only thing that is disallowed like that is on pg land or
where the owner doesn't permit it..
You don't have to participate or have items like that if it bugs you.

Sounds like content that should be on an IDV age-restricted parcel. Assuming it wasn't (and almost nothing is), it would be interesting to see what happened to an AR complaining that it should be. The whole IDV thing is in this weird semi-beta state: as far as I can tell from the historical blog posts, landowners are now officially required to put very violent or very sexually explicit content on restricted parcels, but the IDV page proclaims itself to be still in beta.

I suppose the cited content is a candidate for "broadly offensive." For me, though, the judgment call between bearing the offense and advancing censorship would almost always go to the former.

And, you know, this kind of content appears nightly on network TV, so...

I got hud that does groin kicks I love the thing with right consenting parties.
It really isn't anything more violent then a video game or scene on television, something
I would see in a local bdsm club.
No I am not going to start kicking guys in the groin irl just because I do it here..
And no I won't age verify. LL should know by now I am over 18 already because I have had some type of account here since 2003.
If it bugs you don't go around items like that, there is plenty else to do unless you're looking for things to complain or police others behaviors.

This argument, if it can even be classed as such, is crass and vacuous.

SL is essentially an unvetted community, where anyone can and will register and explore both Mature and PG areas.

LL and to be frank the SL citizenship in general is shirking its responsibility to protect minors, and as such there is no such thing as a "Mature" area, anyone who argues otherwise is an apologist at best.

I'm completely against censorship in any form in the context of a confirmed and identified adult community. However where we, for our own reasons, decide that the definite exclusion of minors is not worth worrying about, then we as a community lose the right (in my view) to uncensored content.

You can't have both in my view.. you can't claim the right/freedom to an uncensored environment without taking responsibility for the protection of our minors.

Sorry if I'm being a bit belligerent, but this sort of "I'll fight for our freedoms with my last breath, just as long as I can cower anonymously in the corner" b*llocks just makes me a bit mad..

B

As the saying goes: Different Strokes for Different Folks.

I guess it is allowed although I suppose if it was offencive to a broad range of the community then it could be broadly offencive. Who's to know.

The thing is with this sort of content is that it kind of depends on what is going on in the mind of the person using it. I have seen and enjoyed plenty of violent movies but I abhor violence in the real world. Someone could use this content in the same context. That is, to create a scene or enact some drama, separate from the real world. I see no problem with this, it happens harmlessly all the time. It's conceivable that someone could also use it to enact some real life fantasy, and for sure, that's scary. I have no idea if it increases our real life risk to these people or not by having this stuff around.

On balance, I'm think the former scenario is much more common than the latter. It's all kind of on the fringe and I'm sure it will stay that way. Ballrooms and romantic gardens are still much more popular, aren't they?

There is nothing any resident can do about minors on the main grid though, only LL has the means to accomplish that.

Age verification doesn't verify identity so any minor can sign up with any adult's information, and if they're outside the US it's good enough to simply make something up in a lot of cases to become "age verified".

It's not that Lindens (or LL in a broader sense) don't know that age verification is ineffective, they'll freely admit that it doesn't keep minors out but it is good enough to serve as legal protection which is all they need.

Don't confuse an effort to prevent minors from accessing content they shouldn't with doing the bare minimum to be legally covered and not caring whether it's actually effective or not.

If I was a woman who had been shot dead on my bed by a guy, I'd be offended. I guess my last thoughts would be "damn, how am I going to get those blood stains out of white sheets?"

I agree with all of that Kitty.. I do.. and I know that "minors" show a lot of initiative when trying to get at things which they've been told they shouldn't.. hell, I did.

But given that.. given that it is an accepted issue.. don't roll out the same old, same old..

"Censorship Bad.. Freedom Good.. you always have the freedom to walk away" claptrap.

Just my opinion.. humble or otherwise..

/me repeats his mantra...
"No forum posts in the morning..."
"No forum posts in the morning..."
"No forum posts in the morning..."

I was shopping...looking for beds & animations..I DIDNT want to participate...thats my point..there were no warnings that it held violent animations at all...and *felt* offended by its content. I used to work as an equality officer...ive seen a lot, heard a lot, an old saying we had was "if you feel harrased, you are harrased" I kind felt like that with this..i felt offended, so i was offended..i was in a store..happily shoping to see this content made me reel to be honest. The store also contained other beds & items...lesbian, cuddle sets...kiss balls...i felt it was kinda out of place somehow?


I have actually never complained about something ive seen in a store in 16 months ive been here, i dont go looking for things to complain about- infact i HAVENT made a complaint, ive just voiced here how i felt...and wondered how others would feel too...

is that SO wrong?

So do you take the same view on the internet in general? Television? Minors need to be stopped being excused for their actions and taught responsibility.

/me puts barge pole back into inventory, rezzes an ultra low prim sofa and popcorn...

/me looks through mostly sorted inventory, finds new outfit and hair and takes a seat...

The problem is that there's really no better *practical* distinction available than that between PG and Mature, at least in terms of protecting actual minors from inappropriate content. The IDV thing is, as Kitty put it (more generously), window dressing to indemnify LL (to the possible increased liability of landowners, incidentally). So in fact, if LL is unsuccessful in screening out minors at sign-up, there's really nothing to protect them unless mature content is simply removed from SL altogether.

When the day comes that adults cannot read D.H. Lawrence (or even Philip Roth), we've lost a lot more than the innocence of some wide-eyed RL pubescents. Yet I wouldn't put Lady Chatterley nor Portnoy on middle-school reading lists.

FWIW, I think this is all the long way round the barn. Instead, I'd favor absolutely draconian legal retribution against the families of any minors found on the grid, with huge warnings at sign-up that lying about one's age is fraud that *will* be prosecuted. Fib about being of-age and mummy and daddy spend the rest of their natural lives in court. It would be a (somewhat) more effective deterrent than the IDV sham, and a *much* more effective tool to indemnify LL from lawsuits: Sue us for Little Johnny seeing pixel sex, and we'll send you to the poor house with legal fees defending Little Johnny's original crime. For that matter, we'll get him sent to Social Services for protection from irresponsible parenting, until the case clears the court or--much sooner--Little Johnny's 18th birthday.

What I want to know is whether any RL people were harmed in making the animations!!!

lol, i DID read a post earlier about some guy wearing a suit to make the animatioms with his wife? err..cant recall who that was now..so MAYBE YES!!!

It seems to me that you are vehmently arguing for censorship of the Internet.

Otherwise, where is this "confirmed and identified adult community" of which you speak?

Is it sick that i actually want to know where this bed is sold?

If you don't want your children playing with "adult" toys, perhaps you should supervise them at home (including their friends' houses)? Teach them not to steal credit cards and government documents with which to commit identity fraud? Are your children that out of control?

There speaketh a fearless alt methinks.

Perhaps the shop owner could have done a better job of zoning the products - the extreme stuff could have gone in a separate room with a warning sign.

No need to censor anything, but no need for anybody to inadvertently stumble across potentially highly offensive material either.

And it would make it easier for Hana to find the bed.

Pretty unlikely it would be considered "broadly offensive". According to press reports, one of the current best selling video games features content like the ability for a player to hire a prostitute and then kill her by shooting her or running her over in a car ... so I don't think that having a bed which features this kind of thing would be considered "broadly offensive". Certainly not my cup of tea at all, but I don't think it can be banned from SL.



I don't agree that if you feel harassed, you have been harassed. That standard has always been far too subjective to have any real meaning. Some people would be offended by lesbian pose sets. Some people would be offended by *any* pose sets. Subjective standards are a road to nowhere.

Ya!
Finally someone feels my pain (of being unable to find said bed, of course)..

I guess then that I am a prude. That's just sick and wrong.