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Scott Savira
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04-13-2009 12:14
From: Lindal Kidd
Dear Mr. Saliva,

<snip>

We hear that the customers there actually expect to GET something for their money.


Oh, he's just in training... once the hard work is done he's free to take them back to his place and bang their virtual pixel brains out. I just hope he doesn't put up banlines so I can watch. </voyeur>
Scott Savira
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04-13-2009 14:04
From: Nika Talaj
Scott, you gonna let him get away with that?

(I'm kinda rooting for an PG-erotica slam to emerge here, can you tell?)
:D


I am suddenly reminded of Zoolander. Do we need to bring David Bowie in as a judge?

For the record, I have never stripped in SL. This also works a lot better when you have a live person to bounce wordplay back and forth with as well.

/me's dark grey eyes follow you as you approach the seat in front of him, regarding you with a warm grin as he hangs from dance pole. "That's a special seat you know..."

/me releases his grip on the dance pole and crouches down on the edge of the stage, the lights reflecting across the thin sheen of sweat coating his shirtless torso. In his current pose, his tight jeans leave little to the imagination. "...only the sexiest girl in the club is allowed to sit there."

/me's eyes light with amusement as he listens to her. When she is finished, he reaches forward and touches her hair with the tips of his fingers. "Ahh, you win the seat for now, but don't tell the other girls. I don't want any hurt feelings."

/me never takes his eyes from you as he smirks and pushes himself to his feet. He steps back, leaning his back against the dance pole and raising his arms overhead to hold it. "These jeans are awfully tight. I could use a hand with them."

/me tilts his head at the jingle in the tip jar. "So eager already?" he says, raising an eyebrow. "My my... you are quite the naughty one..." He lowers his hand to the button of his jeans and looks up at her. "Ordinarily I'd make good on my offer for assistance, but I have to act respectable in public... maybe you could try again after hours." He pops the top button and slides the...

***End of PG Transmission***
Pserendipity Daniels
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04-13-2009 14:15
This is far too drawn out. In rl the exchange would probably go:

"Those jeans are tight. How do you get into them?"

"$100 usually does the trick".

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Rhaorth Antonelli
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04-13-2009 14:30
From: Scott Savira
You would be more at home at a Japanese host club it sounds like...


no clue what that is LOL

I am more at home... at home. :)
(I do not do the club scene in SL anymore, and when I did, most of the time I found it repulsive with the way people emoted)
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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04-13-2009 14:31
From: LittleMe Jewell
I was not implying that the *genuine* needed to include 'attraction', but I do think the person must genuinely want to mingle and chat and interact with folks, at least a bit, or I think the emotes will ultimately come out sounding like a robot responding to stuff.


Yep that is what I meant by genuine. Be real, be themselves, do not try to force it, do not be an actor, etc.

but then again, what the hell do I know...
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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04-13-2009 14:37
From: Serenity Seoung
I wouldn't say that. I've made my fair share of Lindens with my dancing job. The tips are great, and I've made quite a few friends.


exactly, you have made friends, so you are not into it just to make money. If you are making friends along the way, you are doing more than just being a robot on a pole.
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04-13-2009 14:49
From: Jerboa Haystack

/me sidles up to the edge of the stage, his pasty-white undefined body blinding under the glare of the stagelights.
/me awkwardly spins, until facing away from you. His feet slip slightly on the slick stage floor, as he struggles to regain his balance. He glances over his shoulder at you, flexing.


OMG now THAT I would tip!

It is more real that the perfect anyone on the stage.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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04-13-2009 14:52
From: Scott Savira
I am suddenly reminded of Zoolander. Do we need to bring David Bowie in as a judge?

For the record, I have never stripped in SL. This also works a lot better when you have a live person to bounce wordplay back and forth with as well.

/me's dark grey eyes follow you as you approach the seat in front of him, regarding you with a warm grin as he hangs from dance pole. "That's a special seat you know..."

/me releases his grip on the dance pole and crouches down on the edge of the stage, the lights reflecting across the thin sheen of sweat coating his shirtless torso. In his current pose, his tight jeans leave little to the imagination. "...only the sexiest girl in the club is allowed to sit there."

/me's eyes light with amusement as he listens to her. When she is finished, he reaches forward and touches her hair with the tips of his fingers. "Ahh, you win the seat for now, but don't tell the other girls. I don't want any hurt feelings."

/me never takes his eyes from you as he smirks and pushes himself to his feet. He steps back, leaning his back against the dance pole and raising his arms overhead to hold it. "These jeans are awfully tight. I could use a hand with them."

/me tilts his head at the jingle in the tip jar. "So eager already?" he says, raising an eyebrow. "My my... you are quite the naughty one..." He lowers his hand to the button of his jeans and looks up at her. "Ordinarily I'd make good on my offer for assistance, but I have to act respectable in public... maybe you could try again after hours." He pops the top button and slides the...

***End of PG Transmission***



too "perfect" and 3rd person

Are you emoting or is someone else emoting?

Forgot about the 3rd person thing.. (try to not use 3rd person, after all YOU are emoting)

do you really need to describe you are on the pole... after all the patrons can see you are on the pole...
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Nika Talaj
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04-13-2009 15:40
From: Pserendipity Daniels
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Yes, we know that.
From: Scott Savira
I am suddenly reminded of Zoolander. Do we need to bring David Bowie in as a judge?
Well, if you know him and CAN bring him in, then YES! We need him here right now!

*laughs* Actually, I remember thinking when I joined SL that Bowie had probably spent a little time here and there on the grid.
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
too "perfect" and 3rd person.
I think Scott may be using 3rd person and describing the pole because we're in the forums, not in SL.
From: Scott Savira
For the record, I have never stripped in SL. ...
... "in SL"? Interesting qualification! ^^

Your emote, in the same thread as Jerboa's satire and magnifique limerick, even the grammatical discourse on the merits of "turgid", reminds me that people come to SL prepared for vastly different experiences. Certainly there is nothing like an SL nightclub in RL. But your emote reminds me very much of male strippers that I saw at a RL strip club during a bachelorette party. Although, of course, they didn't have to work nearly so hard, since a gaggle of shrieking, giggling women were continuously stuffing dollars here and there.

As an emote of RL stripping in SL, I think yours is nicely done. For me, it's not terribly erotic, but then I'm probably odd, because to me actual male strippers are not so very erotic. Too blatantly visual, I guess.

But thank you, Scott and everyone else on this thread! Great fun to pass a gray day!
:D
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04-13-2009 16:09
I find myself nodding along with Nika's comments-

ooh! Bowie (OK years ago, but still!)

@ Scott - I thought that was nicely done -
but- /me finds the idea of male strippers just so wrong on soo many levels.. :eek:

Once, a guy I knew from my favorite dance/social club IM'ed and said hey come watch me dance- I though it an oddly worded invite but what the hell and I took the TP- OMG it was a strip club! After I got over the initial shock because I thought my favorite place had turned into a strip club and realized it was to actually come watch- i tipped politely and got the hell out- nope, no thank you, not interested in seeing strange naked men accosting metallic partners.
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Nika Talaj
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04-13-2009 16:26
Oh, and Dick -- I would definitely tip Scott, just for the realistic sleaziness of it all. At home I'd be giggling, but I would tip.

I would tip Jerboa's Jerry-Lewis-does-dance-poles routine too, and I hope Sine Wave is reading and does a series of 'stripping disaster' anims!

SL needs more goofy anims.
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04-13-2009 16:27
From: Nika Talaj
Oh, and Dick -- I would definitely tip Scott, just for the realistic sleaziness of it all. At home I'd be giggling, but I would tip.

I would tip Jerboa's Jerry-Lewis-does-dance-poles routine too, and I hope Sine Wave is reading and does a series of 'stripping disaster' anims!

SL needs more goofy anims.
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04-13-2009 16:36
From: Nika Talaj
... I hope Sine Wave is reading and does a series of 'stripping disaster' anims!

SL needs more goofy anims.
:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cybKQVs0_fk
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Nika Talaj
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04-13-2009 17:38
Oh, that poor *snort* girl *gives up and roars*
:D
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04-13-2009 21:37
From: Nika Talaj
Oh, that poor *snort* girl *gives up and roars*
:D



did you look at some of the ones that were in the "similar" section.

some of those were funny, especially one who thought she was all that, then the whole pole fell LOL

(she was even saying something about, ain't I pretty or something to that effect.)
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Dana Hickman
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04-14-2009 01:51
Some very good info in this thread, but I'll add my 2 cents anyways lol.

I'm going to echo what someone already said in that you MUST remember your environment and what's appropriate. Many of the examples in here are just too verbose and long-winded to use in a club. IMO If it has a bunch of commas in it, or uses a period in any part other than the very end, it's not really emoting per se.. it's cybering. While the definition of those isn't written on stone tablets, one can be pretty sure that if you go past the describing of a single action or response it becomes a narration instead. Having spent the bulk of my *almost* 3 years in SL in clubs of all kinds, I'll say that unless its an actual sex club, you do not want to cyber or narrate to the crowd. The few interested in you may enjoy the hell out of it, but the rest probably won't at all. Tactfully craft them descriptive, yet concise. There's no rule that says you can't add to it.

Also remember the audience. Even if you're trying to target someone specific in a club, using first person can get you into trouble unless you're carefull. Best not to be dancing next to the distracted queen bi*ch and then decide to roll off some juicy first person to someone halfway across the floor.. and queenie only picks up part of it, minus the context? I've seen it, it's ugly.. I think Jimmy Hoffa died that way. Point is, the word "you" has a higher chance of being misconstrued in a public setting than 3rd person nounage.

Lastly, remember the flow. No matter how much thought or description you put into something, if it reads like the ingredient list on a soda can it's probably going to suck. Classic rap music, as much as I personally dont care for the genre, is a pretty good source to learn how to double-stack descriptives without breaking momentum start to finish. Picture it as a smooth-flowing bio chart with peaks and valleys, fluid-like and organic.
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04-14-2009 05:10
Oh nay nay, Dana.

If I were to dance. And I never have mind you. Well there was that one time, but we don't like to talk about it.

/me glances furtively around for men in white labcoats

If I were to dance, I'd want everyone to get their money's worth! You're tipping for text! I'm not going to deliver a mere pittance of prose. Why...I'd make Tolstoy look like a kindergarten book report! Hugo's descriptiveness...mere amateurish tripe!

If naughty bits can chat...and bellies can talk. Why, my creative dance genius will not be denied!!

Now if only those stage lights didn't make everything so treacherous...;)
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Scott Savira
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04-14-2009 07:08
I pretty much agree about the conclusion of male dancers. Personally I don't consider getting oiled up and dancing around a pole in a thong to be very manly. I think if I were to ever work in such a capacity, I would prefer to simply chat like a normal person, rather then write long drawn out emotes. In fact... the times I have gone to see female strippers, I found the emotes rather boring. I'd prefer to just chat with people. I save my emoting for when I'm playing pretend as a half-demon in some RP sim. I'm also a fan of keeping it short and sweet and giving the other person a chance to respond to each emote. My emote example here isn't typical... no to mention that talking to yourself is sort of weird... I'm not a monologuer...
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04-14-2009 08:02
From: Scott Savira
I pretty much agree about the conclusion of male dancers. Personally I don't consider getting oiled up and dancing around a pole in a thong to be very manly. ..

This- men - do not do this- period. Not manly. sorry- no way.

ETA- it's not that Real Men don't do this- it's that - women that want manly men- would not be looking for them on dance poles.
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04-14-2009 08:12
From: Scott Savira
Personally I don't consider getting oiled up and dancing around a pole in a thong to be very manly.
From: Amaranthim Talon
This- men - do not do this- period. Not manly. sorry- no way.

ETA- it's not that Real Men don't do this- it's that - women that want manly men- would not be looking for them on dance poles.
It's not so much that I don't think of it as manly, but I just think there are much better places for a man in a thong, oiled up or not, than on a dance pole - well, maybe one of those 2-people dance poles, with me as the other person, and totally not in public.
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04-14-2009 09:04
From: LittleMe Jewell
It's not so much that I don't think of it as manly, but I just think there are much better places for a man in a thong, oiled up or not, than on a dance pole - well, maybe one of those 2-people dance poles, with me as the other person, and totally not in public.
;)


Ahh.. I've uh... had some interesting moments with dual dance poles.... uhh... not in public. *smirks*
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04-14-2009 10:16
From: Amaranthim Talon
This- men - do not do this- period. Not manly. sorry- no way.

ETA- it's not that Real Men don't do this- it's that - women that want manly men- would not be looking for them on dance poles.


some women might, and it is those women, that the men on the poles are dancing for and hoping to get tips from

(I guess that maybe we need some of those women to pop in here and give their opinion on what the man should do to pull in the tips)

Asking us here, what one should do to get tips as a male dancer is like asking someone who doesn't like apples, what best goes into an apple pie...

*shrug*
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04-14-2009 10:27
From: Jerboa Haystack
Oh nay nay, Dana.
If I were to dance, I'd want everyone to get their money's worth! You're tipping for text! I'm not going to deliver a mere pittance of prose.

That's a good example of the "more is better" mindset, Jerboa. Yes, you always give people MORE than their money's worth. That's pretty much a given if you want to be good at it. However, people don't tip for the amount of text, they tip for the mental images, feelings, and fantasy they get as a *result* of your text (reaction to the content, not the amount). When they react to the amount of your text, it's usually in the form of *NOT* tipping.

When you narrate to a group of people in long form, fully detailed and all spelled out for them, you end up robbing them of the little undescribed blank spots that people use to fill in their own mental pictures. If they can't "personalize" it like that, then they never really take "ownership" of any feelings your text conjures up and it's much less effective. Same principle as someone dressing to "leave a little something to the imagination" being sexier and more alluring than someone who leaves nothing at all for the imagination. I'd never advocate dumbing down the power of what you say, only remind that too much detail or length is counterproductive.
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04-14-2009 10:28
I look great using a dance pole.
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04-14-2009 10:51
OK- I would tip the Gargoyle.. but I have a thing for gargles ;)
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