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Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
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04-13-2009 07:23
Hello, Dick, and a belated welcome to the forums.
The advice to look up Yosef O'Kelly's past posts here in the forums is very good...that man could melt any woman's heart with his words. Wow. I mean...you knew he was putting on a verbal show for you, there was always just a tiny shared smile between you acknowledging that. But...what a show.
I think, for any dancer, the "get a tip, give an emote" model is only a part of the story. Most dancers I know are willing to talk with you, about just about anything. Like the others said, they like to meet people.
Here's one possible successful scenario, one I've been in many times as a customer.
DANCER: Hi, Lindal, welcome to the Kit Kat Klub. ME: Hi, Dancer. DANCER: Wow, your boots look really great! ME: Thanks, I got them at Armidi (passes LM). I love your hair! DANCER: It's from this new place I found, Hairly There. (passes LM). ME: Oh, thanks! (pays Dancer L$100) DANCER: Wow, thanks. Dancer gives Lindal a wide smile and a bawdy wink as she melts against the pole and slides her body slowly up and down its cool, hard length. Bending over, she...
Well, this is a PG forum, so we'll stop there. But my point is, there is usually a lot more conversation between the dancers and the customers than just the dance emotes.
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Jerboa Haystack
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04-13-2009 07:24
Hi Dick, I hope that whatever you're doing you are having fun with it and enjoying yourself. I haven't tried the dancing thing. So take all of this with a grain of salt. I can't imagine that anyone is there to watch pixels gyrating on a stage. Heck, if that's the case, make an alt and have it hop on a dance pole. Nope...customers are there for the human connection. So give it to them. First, talk, flirt, maybe joke a little, it's a strip joint so throw in plenty of double-entendre. Make the personal connections. For the actual emotes, I'd go for suggestive over vulgar as the default. If a customer wanted something else, then fine...out pops the pr0n language. (hehe..out pops...get it!  ) But IMO, the best emotes are suitable of this PG forum, but still hit their mark with..ahem...rousing...precision.  What you want to sell is that you're doing what you are doing for *them*, not for money. Treat the customers like ladies, or gentlemen, with respect, and personal focus. It might be corny, but ladies read romance novels for a reason....I'd probably try to make emotes sound closer to that. Don't emote shaking your bits. Emote atmosphere, emote strength, power, magnetism. Emote the fantasy...because that is what you're providing...fantasy. And finally...don't stress about it. Not everyone has the insight of Trout, or the poetic touch of Yosef. Do the best you can, be sincere with each customer, and you'll do fine.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-13-2009 07:28
From: LittleMe Jewell Is this really the experience that you have found in SL and/or here in the forums -- do we really all seem that desperate and pathetic to you? Since you ask, Lil, there are one or two in the forums who probably appreciate the NLP power of a word such as "susurrating", but most would think I had misspelled "starting" in some bizarre fashion. Self-censorship would make the exercise rather pointless; one might just as well hit the Anglo-Saxon monosyllables immediately if one's partner's vocabulary is limited. Anyway, I have just about given up looking for soulmates inworld, after a personal experience that demonstrated to me just how desperate and pathetic some can be who initially appear capable. Apparently I am too convincing. Pep (And contrary to common belief, I don't like hurting people unintentionally)
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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-13-2009 07:33
From: Chris Norse What name do you post stories under there? Sorry Chris, my bad. I deleted the literotica contributions because they were "recycled" without my permission. Pep (Try under the name of "pserendipity" in eroticstories instead.)
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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-13-2009 07:38
From: Jerboa Haystack It might be corny, but ladies read romance novels for a reason....I'd probably try to make emotes sound closer to that. Is there an echo in here?  Pep (But of course now *you*have said it it will become much more acceptable . . .  )
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LittleMe Jewell
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04-13-2009 07:38
From: Pserendipity Daniels Since you ask, Lil, there are one or two in the forums who probably appreciate the NLP power of a word such as "susurrating", but most would think I had misspelled "starting" in some bizarre fashion. Self-censorship would make the exercise rather pointless; one might just as well hit the Anglo-Saxon monosyllables immediately if one's partner's vocabulary is limited. This one really did give me a good chuckle, and while true to some degree, I am not quite sure it is true to the degree that you might think it is.
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Serenity Seoung
Thanks for the fish!
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04-13-2009 07:40
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
If you are into dancing just to make money, good luck... but you probably won't make much
I wouldn't say that. I've made my fair share of Lindens with my dancing job. The tips are great, and I've made quite a few friends.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-13-2009 07:40
From: LittleMe Jewell This one really did give me a good chuckle, and while true to some degree, I am not quite sure it is true to the degree that you might think it is. It is like real life Lil. You are best off with someone who is on your wavelength. Pep (As an extreme example, Elora and Ghosty's "command" of the English language makes them extremely compatible.)
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Jerboa Haystack
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04-13-2009 07:42
From: Pserendipity Daniels Is there an echo in here? Pep (But of course now *you*have said it it will become much more acceptable . . .  ) Just for you Pep, thou monosyllabic master of mayhem /me moves to the dance pole, and sways in time to the tune. /me winks at you "Come here lots, guy?" /me asks for tip 
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
Join date: 1 Oct 2006
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04-13-2009 07:46
Ok Dick,
The thing to do is just flirt naturally. Start with a low heat and slowly turn it up.
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LittleMe Jewell
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04-13-2009 07:46
From: Jerboa Haystack Just for you Pep, thou monosyllabic master of mayhem /me moves to the dance pole, and sways in time to the tune. /me winks at you "Come here lots, guy?" /me asks for tip  /me wipes the coffee off the monitor and sheepishly looks around to see how many people are wondering, again.
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Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
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Jerboa Haystack
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04-13-2009 07:49
*blinks* Wondering what?
Hey...HE asked for Anglo-Saxon monosyllables. *points in Pep's general direction*
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From: Maureen Boccaccio Well between your fingers and that magical device, you work wonders. TOTD: "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." - Douglas Adams
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
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04-13-2009 07:51
From: Pserendipity Daniels Sorry Chris, my bad. I deleted the literotica contributions because they were "recycled" without my permission.
Pep (Try under the name of "pserendipity" in eroticstories instead.) Never been to that site.
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Jerboa Haystack
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04-13-2009 07:54
From: LittleMe Jewell /me wipes the coffee off the monitor and sheepishly looks around to see how many people are wondering, again. or....OP could try by using witty limericks. Hey Lil, glad to see you today Sit a spell and just watch while I sway Sculpted shoulders and tan You can tell I'm all man As your lindens, I ferret away 
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From: Maureen Boccaccio Well between your fingers and that magical device, you work wonders. TOTD: "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." - Douglas Adams
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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-13-2009 07:55
From: Jerboa Haystack Just for you Pep, thou monosyllabic master of mayhem /me moves to the dance pole, and sways in time to the tune. /me winks at you "Come here lots, guy?" /me asks for tip  "Often" being disyllabic ruins the cliche opportunity, doesn't it! Although I have a feeling that many would miss the joke, however hackneyed it is! Pep (Golf clap)
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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-13-2009 07:56
From: Jerboa Haystack or....OP could try by using witty limericks. Hey Lil, glad to see you today Sit a spell and just watch while I sway Sculpted shoulders and tan You can tell I'm all man As your lindens, I ferret away  May I point out that you are in danger of a DMCA complaint. Pep (Argent thinks he has a copyright on ferrets in the forums)
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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-13-2009 07:59
From: Chris Norse Never been to that site. You have missed little. Pep (I was dragged there by a challenge from a most accomplished lady writer called Xpurrteez, whose musings you will also find there)
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Jerboa Haystack
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04-13-2009 08:00
Hmm...maybe they'll do a take-down, and wipe the entire forum, ya think? Over a limerick?
(and you quoted me before I fixed it...there was a word missing from the second line)
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From: Maureen Boccaccio Well between your fingers and that magical device, you work wonders. TOTD: "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." - Douglas Adams
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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-13-2009 08:06
From: Jerboa Haystack Hmm...maybe they'll do a take-down, and wipe the entire forum, ya think? Over a limerick? I somehow think that until the forums are taken down and transported to the Adult Continent you can do whatever you like short of actually putting up a video of a cat being maltreated. From: Jerboa Haystack (and you quoted me before I fixed it...there was a word missing from the second line) Fixed in my quote too. Pep (It's not just Elora/Ghosty who can do it)
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Mariel Tigerpaw
SL for Nowt
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04-13-2009 08:13
From: Pserendipity Daniels Pep (As an extreme example, Elora and Ghosty's "command" of the English language makes them extremely compatible.) From: Pserendipity Daniels Pep (It's not just Elora/Ghosty who can do it) Mar takes Mr Daniels' sniper rifle away from him, removes the sights, then hands it back. Give it a break, boyo. 'Picky-picky' is unbecoming behaviour.
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Nika Talaj
now you see her ...
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04-13-2009 08:25
From: Pserendipity Daniels there are one or two in the forums who probably appreciate the NLP power of a word such as "susurrating", but most would think I had misspelled "starting" in some bizarre fashion. /me returns to the thread and is amused to see the terms 'NLP' and 'power' used in the same sentence. From: Pserendipity Daniels . . . and the prime example of someone whose spelling mysteriously improves out of all recognition when he emotes. Well, he did at one point admit to sometimes plagiarizing, true. /me debates whether to go to the website, thereby necessitating deleting cached content and cookies so that googling for "green tomatoes" doesn't turn up sites about sex with martians ... sadly, though curious, decides against it. .
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LittleMe Jewell
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04-13-2009 08:44
From: Jerboa Haystack or....OP could try by using witty limericks. Hey Lil, glad to see you today Sit a spell and just watch while I sway Sculpted shoulders and tan You can tell I'm all man As your lindens, I ferret away  Now the coworkers are really wondering what the hell I am chuckling over so much.
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Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
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Learjeff Innis
musician & coder
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Back to the subject ...
04-13-2009 08:51
Ignore the naysayers. Yes, it takes imagination, and you can't simply teach imagination. But that doesn't mean you can't develop it. Sure, some people are naturals, and other people can work their asses off and never reach the same levels, but the same is true of math.
If you're motivated, you can improve. This is true of any human endeavor I can think of.
Try this:
1 - Find good examples and pay attention. Take notes. Copy their lines and re-read your notes frequently. This is NOT to copy their lines, it's to get your head in the space, familiarize you with the terms and approaches used. Don't use this as an excuse to become a parrot!
2 - Practice! You should get plenty of practice working in your club, but if not, go anyplace where your target audience hangs out and try your best.
3 - Pay attention to feedback Make notes of what works. Make it EASY for yourself to take notes, so that you actually do it. As before, review your notes. Again, don't use this as an excuse to disengage your brain and merely repeat what works. The idea here is to revisit the ideas that worked.
4 - Read a few romance novels. Highlight lines with ideas you can use.
The first goal here is to fill your head with lots of ideas so they're ready at hand. Note that this is just preparation! It's like weapons and ammunition: the next step is to learn how to use the weapons effectively. And the most important aspect of that is being interactive: actually responding to your audience, and learning from them.
To free your mind up to be able to actually think about your patrons, you first need to be familiar enough with your arsenal so that you don't need to spend a lot of your brain thinking about it. Immerse yourself in the nouns, verbs, and adjectives. Become fluent in the lingo. Have the phrases at your fingertips. Fill your head with the romantic, the exotic, the sensual, the overtly sexual, and the downright kinky Master it all, as best you can, to have ready at hand when needed.
Once you've gained some mastery of the low level knowledge (the terms, actions, and situations at your command), you can focus on the really important part, which is the person you're addressing, and learn to apply your tools artfully, sensing when to tease, when to taunt, when to hold back, and when to let the floodgates open wide. And most importantly, connecting to your patron, learning from them, participating with them, and enjoying it.
It's not an easy job, especially since you often have a number of interested patrons at a time. Good luck!
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Lear Cale
wordy bugger
Join date: 22 Aug 2007
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Back to the subject 
04-13-2009 08:56
Ignore the naysayers. Yes, it takes imagination, and you can't simply teach imagination. But that doesn't mean you can't develop it. Sure, some people are naturals, and other people can work their asses off and never reach the same levels, but the same is true of math.
If you're motivated, you can improve. This is true of any human endeavor I can think of.
Try this:
1 - Find good examples and pay attention. Take notes. Copy their lines and re-read your notes frequently. This is NOT to copy their lines, it's to get your head in the space, familiarize you with the terms and approaches used. Don't use this as an excuse to become a parrot!
2 - Practice! You should get plenty of practice working in your club, but if not, go anyplace where your target audience hangs out and try your best.
3 - Pay attention to feedback Make notes of what works. Make it EASY for yourself to take notes, so that you actually do it. As before, review your notes. Again, don't use this as an excuse to disengage your brain and merely repeat what works. The idea here is to revisit the ideas that worked.
4 - Read a few romance novels. Highlight lines with ideas you can use.
The first goal here is to fill your head with lots of ideas so they're ready at hand. Note that this is just preparation! It's like weapons and ammunition: the next step is to learn how to use the weapons effectively. And the most important aspect of that is being interactive: actually responding to your audience, and learning from them.
To free your mind up to be able to actually think about your patrons, you first need to be familiar enough with your arsenal so that you don't need to spend a lot of your brain thinking about it. Immerse yourself in the nouns, verbs, and adjectives. Become fluent in the lingo. Have the phrases at your fingertips. Fill your head with the romantic, the exotic, the sensual, the overtly sexual, and the downright kinky Master it all, as best you can, to have ready at hand when needed.
Once you've gained some mastery of the low level knowledge (the terms, actions, and situations at your command), you can focus on the really important part, which is the person you're addressing, and learn to apply your tools artfully, sensing when to tease, when to taunt, when to hold back, and when to let the floodgates open wide. And most importantly, connecting to your patron, learning from them, participating with them, and enjoying it.
It's not an easy job, especially since you often have a number of interested patrons at a time. Good luck!
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Nika Talaj
now you see her ...
Join date: 2 Jan 2007
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04-13-2009 09:00
From: Jerboa Haystack or....OP could try by using witty limericks. Yay! yes! My je ne cest what gets a rise From the smooth muscled curves of your thighs My heart skips a beat As our longing eyes meet (Make my tip jar cha-ching for more lies) 
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