Camping Chair

If you clock your employee in and out, using a script to verify their attendance, and pay him/her accordingly, it's not camping.

Your definition of what a camping device is suits your purpose, however the "correct" definition of a camping device is a scripted object that pays an avatar to be in a predetermined location for "X" amount of time, that device does NOT have to pay on a per minute bases to be deemed camping. All it has to do is keep the avatar in that location.

I'm not sure why you are trying to chop everything up to suit your own agenda. but I have already mention several camping devices, lot's of which would also be considered employment & if used in moderation (NOT exaggeration) would more than likely not require the land owner to be banned or have the parcel removed from search.

Just to recap it for you though:::::
Here they are again, ALL camping systems that are scripted to pay avatars::: (One must first understand that there are several different types of camping system which range from, but are not limited to: L$ camping, % commission sales camping, item camping, Prize chairs, Model camping, demonstration camping, Entertainment camping, Customer support camping, time clock camping, Zone camping, Profile picks camping, Tips camping, Quiz camping, Trivia camping, & Much much more..... No matter which system you have, it all comes down to how you use it.)

Just keep in mind what jack said:: "We know there will be some perfectly legitimate uses of chairs, and we'll be as fair as we can be when looking into these cases."

Also keep in mind that jack additionally clarified that camping chairs was a general term & not restricted to literal chairs:: "That's a good question. We didn't feel that it made sense for us to try to define every single object that might be used to this effect. If we had said camping chairs were disallowed then camping swings would replace them, then camping trees, giant mushrooms, unicorns and so on. Instead we are making it clear that the deliberate gaming of Search, if we see it taking place, will be something we take action on. We know there will be some perfectly legitimate uses of chairs, and we'll be as fair as we can be when looking into these cases."

Also remember That I did ask jack to visit my location & point out anything I should take off the shelves that would be an obvious gaming device (I have 91 camping devices mind you) & he did not mention even one that needed to be removed. He instead said it depended on how the buyer decided to use them after purchase. Which further indicates that while one may be in violation with a blatant gaming scam, another me be totally legal using them in the right way (in moderation).

I couldn't begin to outline a detailed list of right from wrong, only a linden can determine that in their investigation. However, because their is not definite list outlining it, I would be wrong for trying to sum it up to a few types just as much as you would be wrong for say none at all are allowed. even if all we have to fall back on is this statement from Jack:: "We know there will be some perfectly legitimate uses of chairs, and we'll be as fair as we can be when looking into these cases."

That is camping, because it means they have to stay in that location in order to get paid, same thing & why not all camping is against the policy..

Scorpion. I'm not trying to chop anything up, and I have no agenda. We all know what camping is, and it is now banned on parcels that are set to show in search. I'm sorry if it's not clear enough from the blog for you, but it's clear enough for everyone else who has posted about it. The only lack of clarity that I saw in the blog posts was when some people didn't understand that it's only banned when the parcel is set to show in search - when it inflates the traffic score for search. They asked if all camping is now banned, which it isn't.

Now who's got an agenda?

Employing someone to do a job in a place is not camping. Paying them according to the hours they do the job does not make it camping.

Tons of good freebies, although the first hour experience could do better at pointing people to good ways to improve/customise their avatar.

Do you mean age of the avatar or age of the person behind the avatar. Everyone in SL is supposed to be over 18. And most places will only reject someone for a job if they LOOK like they just rezzed. Because it's hard to put someone in a position of authority over other residents, if they can't be bothered to do the slightest thing for themselves.

Money really isn't an excuse to stay looking like the day an av rezzed.

OK...well then, for the convenience of the employer and the employee....I prefer to use the time clock script on the cart.

You have obviously not read any of my posts & I'm getting tired of having to repost 10 times just for you to read them.

Do you even know what you are talking about when it comes to a time clock & a camp master or a zone camper or a sim camper? did you know that all can be set to pay different, each pays out the same way the other does. the only different a time clock has Vz. a camp master / zone camper / sim camper is that you have the ability to set AV name restriction. And for the record, you can easily add that feature to a camp master, heck i provide it in several of my campers for people that want to use them for Employment.

Time clock & camp master are same thing.... I sell these systems... I should know... On e can have 50 employees logged into a time clock standing around just as easy as having 50 people logged into a camp master standing around.

You want camping abolished? fine, that's your choice, but lets at least be fair to everyone else so they can make their own choices.

Again, a camping device does NOT have to pay by the minute, it can pay %, it can by the hour, by the day, by the tip, etc... It's soul purpose is to keep a person in that general area for "X" amount of time. there are legal & illegal ways to do it, as Jack has confirmed....

It doesn't matter where the script is. If it requires a person to be *on* the cart and they are paid nL$ per n minutes, then it's camping if anyone can get on the cart. If you actually employ someone to be on the cart, and it only accepts that person, and the person does the work rather than the cart, then it's not camping. E.g. if I could go over and get on the cart and it paid me for my time on it, then it's camping.

Do you have such a device?

STOP saying per minute... per minute does NOT determine what a camping device is.. geez!!!

PS
I sell a cart like that & it's totally legal .. it's a form of employment, not if one stacked 10 in a row it would be obvious gaming.. one is an employment situation

I don't want to read all of your posts. We all know what camping is, and it's banned if it's on a parcel that is set to show in search. It's perfectly clear.

I'm not sure if I can set it to keep time for specific avs or not. I don't have it out yet. But it's pretty darn cute....need to get that thing out.

Why stop saying it? It's the usual way that camping devices pay the people who get on them. BUT in the part you quoted, I did say "... and it pays me for my time on it ...". Is that alright now?

If anyone can get on it, and it pays them for their time on it, then its a camping device.

I've got an idea... you get your thing out and I'll get my thing out, and we'll compare them

According to jack's posts to clarify you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

Why not just get it over with and come try & ban my camping store & camping spot? I would love to see that... I'll make it easy for you, I'll select a few campers of my choice & set them outside the red zone & have one of my 500+ members sit on for you so you can AR it. would that make you happy?

You need to first understand what a camping device is before you can protest them logically & a time clock just like a camp master IS a camping device...

There's no need to get your knickers in a twist about it. I say it's perfectly clear and you say it isn't. Selling camping devices is perfectly alright. It's using them to inflate traffic for search that is banned. I thought you knew that.

Btw, I'm not "protesting them logically" or in any other way. I'm simply saying that the new policy is perfectly clear about camping for the purpose of inflating traffic for search.

You tried that once before, Phil....and me reminding you about that in a forum thread, did not go over extremely well.

We're getting along so good...in fact, you were kind enough to try out my "cone camping" device several times....let's not get off track.

I've already stated that, but you refused to read those posts... So, if you don't want to read any of my posts as you said previously, then this is no longer a logical debate & more a one sided attempt to eradicate camping on your part (Even the legal uses JACK himself mentioned).. So, this thread has now become counter productive. Good luck with your campaign against camping.

I wish you & your SL business the best of success! I'm off for now....

I protest! I've never tried any such thing - before or now. The now was humour. The before never happened unless I was being humorous.

LOL This! My old zone camping and time clock had the same scripts inside them too. Group match and avatar list got used in both kinds. It is the same machine and only the words change.

Jack didn't say that there are any legal uses of camping. He said words to effect of him expecting there to be some. He actually asked if anyone knows of any, and nobody came up with any.

I have no intention of eradicating camping. You don't know me, do you

I'm sorry that the blog isn't clear enough for you, but it's perfectly clear to everyone else who read it and participated in the discussion - except those who asked if ALL camping is banned. They were answered, and it's clear to them too.

And at the end of the day & all the misinformation.... I still tend to believe what Jack Linden said over anything others say... Why? because what he says actually matters, rather than 3rd part interpretations. Read his below quotes & compare them to source links for accuracy. be your own judge, don't take mine or anyone else's word for it.

Source: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/land/blog/2009/05/21/further-clarification-on-bots-and-camping/

Source: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/land/blog/2009/05/21/further-clarification-on-bots-and-camping/ 76th comment down the list #comment-762884

And yes everyone, a time clock & a camp master are both camping devices merely separated by an avatar authorization script (Which can be added to ANY camping device).