Camping Chair

The problem with groups and events is that they require a lot of details of what's going to happen to be fixed in advance. Sometimes people just want to go where others are and see what happens, maybe they will even get to be the centre of attention themselves.

Are all camping systems considered gaming traffic? NO - (One must first understand that there are several different types of camping system which range from, but are not limited to: L$ camping, % commission sales camping, item camping, Prize chairs, Model camping, demonstration camping, Entertainment camping, Customer support camping, time clock camping, Zone camping, Profile picks camping, Tips camping, Quiz camping, Trivia camping, & Much much more..... No matter which system you have, it all comes down to how you use it.)

Several of the above camping systems are listed as genuine employment devices, yet they are still categorized as campers because it's a scripted device that pays an avatar. So you stating that 1 time clock camper, or 1 sales assistant, or 1 customer support staff camper, can no longer work for the business owner & be paid, is a bit far fetched as to it's legalities within the policy in question. Again, it's all in how the systems are used.

in addition::: As Jack Lindens letter to me stated, "Just like gun manufacturers, it's the buyer of the gun that is responsible for how they use it, not the manufacturer of guns".

Scoprian. The blog was about "camping chairs", and not about other things, which you may or may not call camping. Everyone knows that camp pads are the same as camping chairs; i.e. nL$ per n minutes on the pad/chair. That's what the blog was about, and it's perfectly clear in what it says. Even one such device, on a parcel that's set to show in search, is now a violation.

I doubt one device will get anyone in trouble, especially not whilst modelling bots are still allowed.

Wrong again Phil

Blog quote (Take note to "Regardless how it is achieved"::::


And he further clarified in a response post on that same blog:::

(Note this statement in the above quote: "We know there will be some perfectly legitimate uses of chairs, and we'll be as fair as we can be when looking into these cases."

He has made it perfectly clear that "camping chair" does not just mean camping chairs & that it is a general term to cover ALL types of camping relating devices (which i listed for you) that may game traffic in search if NOT used properly.

Here they are again, ALL camping systems that are scripted to pay avatars::: (One must first understand that there are several different types of camping system which range from, but are not limited to: L$ camping, % commission sales camping, item camping, Prize chairs, Model camping, demonstration camping, Entertainment camping, Customer support camping, time clock camping, Zone camping, Profile picks camping, Tips camping, Quiz camping, Trivia camping, & Much much more..... No matter which system you have, it all comes down to how you use it.)

P.S.
I'm glad your view of what you want it all to mean & what jack actually posted in response are 2 different things. I'm also glad that jack took the time out of his day to communicate with me via e-mail as I am camping systems designer to let me know I am 100% legal in what I do. And Yes, I have 5 campers active on my subdivided parcel.

they must have updated it which it sounds better than the blog message i saw which is in the start of this thread and others around this time frame this threads was started..

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Originally Posted by Jack Linden
...The policy we announced is about Traffic, how that relates to Search, and how a deliberate attempt to falsely drive up the traffic score will no longer be allowed. We know from your comments that you want Search to be fair and relevant, and we want that too. Whether a landowner uses Bots or Camping Chairs, or Camping Chairs with Bots in them, the effect is the same - the traffic score for that parcel is inflated unfairly.

Are there other uses for so called Camping Chairs other than for Traffic? If you know of some please let us know in the comments below! However, the feedback and data tells us that by far the main reason for large numbers of Camping Chairs at a location is to unfairly gain a Search advantage.

So the policy statement is that where we see a Resident unfairly increasing their Search ranking, regardless of how that is achieved, it will be considered as 'gaming'. We will give a first warning to begin with and direct people to the policy. However continued gaming can result in suspension or removal from Search listings altogether.

I agree, but it is still a violation.

Maybe, I said to Jack at his office hour that it should be a "don't take the mick" policy, and he said it was.

No I'm not wrong, Scorpion. Camping is banned if it's on a parcel that's set to show in search. I didn't say anything about other traffic manipulating methods. I merely said that it's perfectly clear that camping is banned. We all know what camping is - nL$ per n minutes on the camping device. That's banned.

Where there isn't any clarity is with other devices, such as lucky chairs. They are also used for traffic manipulation, but it's not clear whether or not they are included in the ban.

That may be how they implement it - when they eventually get around to implementing it - but the ban on camping, on parcels that are set to show in search, is black and white. No doubt they'll turn a blind eye to many tiny camping operations, but that doesn't mean that the ban doesn't cover them.

Camping NOT banned, falsifying traffic is banned.. you need to first stop using the word camping to justify a traffic policy that covers falsification of traffic REGARDLESS HOW IT IS ACHIEVED...

This is NOT a camping policy, its a traffic policy, if camping was banned I would be out of business. instead, i have an e-mail from jack telling me I am 100% legal

REGARDLESS HOW IT IS ACHIEVED covers ALL other devices...

I mean some need camping to make money, many don't buy lindens...what does LL want, for everyone to just purchase lindens and if they do not have a credit card they are screwed, go somewhere else.

If it was up to them that would be the only way to make money and most noobs can't get jobs in secondlife due to appearance and age factors, so your screwed anyway.

I didn't say that camping is banned. I repeatedly said that camping is banned if the parcel is set to show in search. It's perfectly clear.

I know what the policy is, btw. We're only discussing the policy with respect to camping in this thread. And I'm merely pointing out that the policy with respect to camping is perfectly clear.

you have to have SuperPremiumExcaliburAcc# like meh!! \o/

lol that made me chuckle!

This doesn't change Jacks clarification:::
That statement alone says there "ARE" legitimate uses that he is willing to accept & recognize (PERIOD)

Fixed for Phil and my benefit!

Perhaps you would like to name one. Keep in mind that camping is paying someone nL$ per n minutes to be on the device.

The part of Jack's blog that you quoted doesn't say that there *are* some such uses. It says that there will be, which can be understood as him not knowing if there are any or not, and that he thinks there will be some.

Jack also asked if anyone could think of any genuine uses of camping, on land that is set to show in search, that isn't for the purpose of influencing traffic. Nobody came up with any.

I got one that is a cute little cart that hands out gifts...with a greeter attached. To me....that would be similar to having a Walmart Greeter. Do you have those over there in your neck of the woods Phil?

Nope

If that feature requires someone to be on the device, getting paid nL$ per n minutes on it, then it's camping, and banned if the parcel is set to show in search.

paying people to hang on your store would give newbies money, stimulate socializing and potentially make people stay long enough to browse the store and decide to buy somthing

I've seen "camping" devices that try to make sure the person is still at the keyboard and that it's a real person and not a bot, these two features help achieve the goals mentioned above

What if you had an employee who stood near the cart and greeted people?

we did have something that was kind of neat at this one club i managed..people came there and they loged into a sign and could walk around and shop and stuff instead of be stuck in a chair..they would log in then shop some and come into the club and dance and even give dancers what they made..i thought that was kind of a neat thing..not sure why that never took off..

Then is not camping.

But I wouldn't be around during the day to see if the employee was standing there....so I use the feature on the cart as a log in/time clock. Just a more technical/efficient method. Don't you think?