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Pserendipity Daniels
Assume sarcasm as default
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12-12-2009 07:19
From: Seven Okelli I want to say that this subject makes me uncomfortable. I'm not sure why.
When I meet people in RL who I know in SL, I refer to myself as "me" no matter the context. In real life, I am "me" no matter whether I am talking of the flesh-and-blood person or the little pixel self.
When I am in SL, all of me, the person in RL typing, the little pixel self, my alts, are all "me".
It bothers me when someone talks about any of those things as if they were separate, as if an alt or the avatar was a separate or unreal person.
It's worse than the affected referring to oneself in the third person in ordinary conversation.
. You are uncomfortable with his subject because it is highlighting the fact that you are *not* you (nor is anybody) when you are using a pseudonym inworld or in the forums, however much you try to convince yourself otherwise. Those who say that their avatar *is* themselves are deluding themselves; at least your subconscious is sending you a message, even if your conscious is not receiving it in clear. Pep (Even Stanislavsky would not have insisted that Anthony Hopkins was a cannibal.)
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Pserendipity Daniels
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12-12-2009 07:22
From: Seven Okelli I'm sure if someone called out "Seven!" in a crowd I would stop and turn. The SL friends I meet in RL call me Pep. Pep (It prevents problems when my wife picks up the phone to one of them. "Sorry, no one of that name here".)
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Seven Okelli
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12-12-2009 08:33
From: Pserendipity Daniels You are uncomfortable with his subject because it is highlighting the fact that you are *not* you (nor is anybody) when you are using a pseudonym inworld or in the forums, however much you try to convince yourself otherwise. Those who say that their avatar *is* themselves are deluding themselves; at least your subconscious is sending you a message, even if your conscious is not receiving it in clear.
Pep (Even Stanislavski would not have insisted that Anthony Hopkins was a cannibal.) I fixed the spelling of the last name; even if it's transliterated (and liable to variants) it still was missing an "l". Your theory might be correct, but the alternatives are not worth the candle for me. If you met me in RL, and had no idea who exactly I was in SL, I think you would soon figure out that I'm Seven. I mean, how do people figure out who alts are? There is some underlying reality that's identified.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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12-12-2009 08:54
From: Seven Okelli I mean, how do people figure out who alts are? Usually because of a similar lack of imagination among alts. Pep ("A clever person can play an idiot; an idiot has no alternative to offer." 
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Treasure Ballinger
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12-12-2009 09:09
From: Pserendipity Daniels Usually because of a similar lack of imagination among alts. Pep ("A clever person can play an idiot; an idiot has no alternative to offer."  But if you aren't role playing in SL, and just doing a lot of what you do in RL anyway, why isn't the avatar a representation of your RL persona? I don't see much difference between my SL and RL behavior. So when I say, I am she and she is me, it seems true......now if I was RPing combat, or Gor, or a furry I'd agree. I am involved with the same kind of people doing the same kind of things in RL and SL. Why is that deluding myself? You have said on occasion that your RL persona, Forum persona and inworld persona, are different. (I have seen that for myself to be true, on meeting you inworld) But isn't that a choice you're making, to show these different facets in the different venues? If one isn't making that same choice, I don't see why it's deluding oneself to feel the same, in any 'life'.....clarify?
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Pserendipity Daniels
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12-12-2009 09:18
From: Treasure Ballinger But if you aren't role playing in SL, and just doing a lot of what you do in RL anyway, why isn't the avatar a representation of your RL persona? I don't see much difference between my SL and RL behavior. So when I say, I am she and she is me, it seems true......now if I was RPing combat, or Gor, or a furry I'd agree. I am involved with the same kind of people doing the same kind of things in RL and SL. Why is that deluding myself?
You have said on occasion that your RL persona, Forum persona and inworld persona, are different. (I have seen that for myself to be true, on meeting you inworld) But isn't that a choice you're making, to show these different facets in the different venues? If one isn't making that same choice, I don't see why it's deluding oneself to feel the same, in any 'life'.....clarify? So you fly, teleport and change your outfits every whipstitch in rl? Your objectives, relationships and decision-making are completely different in this virtual world. You might argue "I would behave like this in the real world if I had these capabilities in the real world", but the truth is that you do not, so you are automatically behaving in a way foreign to your real life persona. Pep (That thing about changing your outfits? I checked with my daughter. It's real life behaviour as well, so you can strike it off the list.  )
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Seven Okelli
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12-12-2009 09:36
I think that one reason this topic bothers me because it implies that some people in SL are insincere in their presentation of self.
And, to paraphrase Hamlet, while I agree heartily that it's so, I think it's scandalous to see it written.
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Argent Stonecutter
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12-12-2009 09:58
Does I make you nervous, Seven? 
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Treasure Ballinger
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12-12-2009 10:13
From: Pserendipity Daniels So you fly, teleport and change your outfits every whipstitch in rl? Your objectives, relationships and decision-making are completely different in this virtual world. You might argue "I would behave like this in the real world if I had these capabilities in the real world", but the truth is that you do not, so you are automatically behaving in a way foreign to your real life persona. Pep (That thing about changing your outfits? I checked with my daughter. It's real life behaviour as well, so you can strike it off the list.  ) Oh come on, you know I didn't mean that stuff. I meant the things that I 'do' in SL are similar to what I do in RL. I advocate for the disabled, I interact with the same types of groups (both socially and professionally) and I am the same person, no role play. That's what I meant, not flying and teleporting. (/me sucks teeth and rolls eyes IRL) I don't come into SL and put on a different personality. That is what I meant.
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12-12-2009 10:22
You were in that book "The Castle" by Kafka?
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Void Singer
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12-12-2009 10:43
From: Pserendipity Daniels Females making irrational decisions? Pep (Surely not.  ) no such thing as an irrational decision, uninformed, regrettable, spiteful, sure... but never irrational. (because irrationality on the part of the observed is merely a failure of imagination and context on the part of the observer)
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Pserendipity Daniels
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12-12-2009 13:08
From: Seven Okelli I think that one reason this topic bothers me because it implies that some people in SL are insincere in their presentation of self.
And, to paraphrase Hamlet, while I agree heartily that it's so, I think it's scandalous to see it written. "Insincere"? I think you might be better off quitting now . . . Pep ( . . . before the "reality" of the situation hits you.)
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Pserendipity Daniels
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12-12-2009 13:09
From: Treasure Ballinger Oh come on, you know I didn't mean that stuff. I meant the things that I 'do' in SL are similar to what I do in RL. I advocate for the disabled, I interact with the same types of groups (both socially and professionally) and I am the same person, no role play. That's what I meant, not flying and teleporting. (/me sucks teeth and rolls eyes IRL) I don't come into SL and put on a different personality. That is what I meant. You should be more careful to say what you mean, then. Pep (It's not enough to mean what you say.) PS You are still wrong.
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Seven Okelli
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12-12-2009 13:10
From: Argent Stonecutter Does I make you nervous, Seven?
/me laughs When I say "insincere" I'm talking about feelings.
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Seven Okelli
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12-12-2009 13:11
From: Pserendipity Daniels "Insincere"? I think you might be better off quitting now . . .
Pep ( . . . before the "reality" of the situation hits you.) Maybe I will.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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12-12-2009 13:12
From: Void Singer no such thing as an irrational decision, uninformed, regrettable, spiteful, sure... but never irrational.
(because irrationality on the part of the observed is merely a failure of imagination and context on the part of the observer) If you subscribe to the view that there is always some sort of thought process involving the conscious brain then your view might be accurate. Pep (perceives the apparent over-riding of conscious thought by instinct, emotion or other chemical interference as indicative of irrationality.)
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Chris Norse
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12-12-2009 13:30
From: Pserendipity Daniels Pep (perceives the apparent over-riding of conscious thought by instinct, emotion or other chemical interference as indicative of irrationality.)
Then why train muscle memory? Which could be argued as a form of learned instinct.
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Void Singer
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12-12-2009 14:08
From: Pserendipity Daniels If you subscribe to the view that there is always some sort of thought process involving the conscious brain then your view might be accurate.
Pep (perceives the apparent over-riding of conscious thought by instinct, emotion or other chemical interference as indicative of irrationality.) instinct does not imply a decision, and chemical modification doesn't either, they are automated responses, or outside interferences (and thus reductions of informed decision processes). but it's interesting that you include emotional modifiers, since "purely" logical conclusions are often reviled (and probably not realistically possible for most humans)
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Briana Dawson
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12-12-2009 14:15
From: Seven Okelli
I mean, how do people figure out who alts are? There is some underlying reality that's identified.
Unfortunately i have met some people that completely manufacture their personality here. It is rather sad and i keep those people at a poles distance from me.
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Seven Okelli
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12-12-2009 18:25
From: Briana Dawson Unfortunately i have met some people that completely manufacture their personality here. It is rather sad and i keep those people at a poles distance from me. I get that. From: Pserendipity Daniels "Insincere"? I think you might be better off quitting now . . .
Pep ( . . . before the "reality" of the situation hits you.) You know, I thought this was rather cold until I realized that there is one thing you're written that ironically enough, I'd never taken seriously. It's your line "Assume sarcasm as default". It turned everything upside down! If your default is sarcasm, it means that most of what you say isn't meant to be taken seriously. Contrariwise, if most of what you say is serious, then sarcasm couldn't be the default.
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Meck Arun
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12-13-2009 00:32
It's rare for my avatar to refer to me. It would probably take the form of "my hair is black in RL".
If I'm making an OOC comment like "afk 5 mins", that's just me speaking through my avatar, and is marked as such.
Does that make me an augmentationist or an immersionist?
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Snickers Snook
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12-13-2009 01:10
Since I'm a RL princess, I'm comfortable using the "imperial we". As in "our hair is brown my dear" or "tut, tut, we don't approve of your manners." It helps keep a proper layer of separation from the staff too. 
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Alazarin Mondrian
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12-13-2009 03:38
How do I refer to my player?
Sometimes as 'my player', sometimes as 'me', sometimes as 'that idiot out there'.... it varies alot depending on the situation.
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Deira Llanfair
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12-13-2009 03:46
From: Phil Deakins Not me. I'd say, "My RL hair is brown." I would say, "At the moment my RL hair is brown." or "my RL hair is naturally brown in colour".
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Pserendipity Daniels
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12-13-2009 07:02
From: Chris Norse Then why train muscle memory? Which could be argued as a form of learned instinct. Like Tiger Woods has? Pep (Intelligence? Fail!)
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