First come first assumed guilty? (Abuse Report)
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Brenda Connolly
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08-16-2007 08:33
From: Morwen Bunin Then The New York Times must be the US version of "De Telegraaf" (or the other way around of course).
Morwen. Actually The New York Post is probably closer to that, but the Times has really become a shadow of itself in the past 10years or so.
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Ylikone Obscure
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08-16-2007 08:38
From: Chris Norse Now come off that bullshit, the left-wingers are just as freaking scary and sad. Notice I said "extreme". Yes, there are extreme left-wingers as well. I just think that the might-is-always-right opinions of the OP is a very common extreme right-winger trait that I see.
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Brenda Connolly
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08-16-2007 08:41
From: Ylikone Obscure Notice I said "extreme". Yes, there are extreme left-wingers as well. I just think that the might-is-always-right opinions of the OP is a very common extreme right-winger trait that I see. True, the extreme lefties are usually appeasement and let's negotiate as the tanks run us over types
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Chris Norse
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08-16-2007 08:42
From: Ylikone Obscure Notice I said "extreme". Yes, there are extreme left-wingers as well. I just think that the might-is-always-right opinions of the OP is a very common extreme right-winger trait that I see. Big government is big government. The liberal nanny state is just as much a part of might is always right as anything the conservatives do.
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Carli Dancer
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08-16-2007 08:42
Orbit em all. Let the hair up the butt gremlins sort em out.
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Sling Trebuchet
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08-16-2007 08:45
From: Mickey James What is going on with the sudden influx of crucified martyrs in this forum? There was mention in this forum of a new Linden tree a while back. Maybe some opportunists are cutting them down and selling the timber cheap?
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Brenda Connolly
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08-16-2007 08:45
From: Chris Norse Big government is big government. The liberal nanny state is just as much a part of might is always right as anything the conservatives do. It's just a different type of coercion. The threat of Military force vs the the threat that you can't exist without the State.
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Slaton Ewing
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08-16-2007 08:47
I suggest the OP quit. This world is obviously unjust.
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Walker Moore
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08-16-2007 09:01
From: Brenda Connolly I'd guess this thread is now ARable under the posting to intentionally provoke clause? Oh no, Chaise's name is no longer showing up in search. BRENDA WHAT HAVE YOU DONE???? 
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Malachi Petunia
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08-16-2007 09:08
From: someone Oh no, Chaise's name is no longer showing up in search. Don't you mean "Chaise's friend"?
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Brenda Connolly
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08-16-2007 09:18
From: Walker Moore Oh no, Chaise's name is no longer showing up in search. BRENDA WHAT HAVE YOU DONE????  Well that shoots to hell his theory that the system doen't work.
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Walker Moore
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08-16-2007 10:09
From: Malachi Petunia Don't you mean "Chaise's friend"? I can barely keep up with my own personalities; never mind everybody else's. 
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Mickey James
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08-16-2007 10:20
From: Ann Launay
This isn't about morality, it's about using your brain, not succumbing to knee jerk reactions, and accepting the repercussions if you fail to do so.
In Chaise's case, you should delete the word "knee." He's violated a serious ethical tenet for both journalism and academic research (hard to tell which he's engaged in, not that anything he says can be trusted now), and seems quite pleased with himself about it.
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Usagi Musashi
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08-16-2007 10:25
From: Chaise Seale I was just wondering how the Abuse Report system actually works, and whether what the Lindens say when it actually comes down to 'Disciplinary' action, that they investigate the reports individually and even check the server logs is actually true. Its who you know really.......its been that way for awhile now.
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Ann Launay
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08-16-2007 10:29
From: Mickey James In Chaise's case, you should delete the word "knee." He's violated a serious ethical tenet for both journalism and academic research (hard to tell which he's engaged in, not that anything he says can be trusted now), and seems quite pleased with himself about it. I don't disagree, but I was actually talking about retaliating against griefers.
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Angelique LaFollette
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08-16-2007 10:36
From: Chaise Seale So let them win, and hope that the Abuse Report actually gets that 1 in 1,000 chance of actually being seen through?
Sure, I'll just let people push me around and use me for their fun, and hope my pathetic squeals will be heard by a 'Deaf Shiny Knight of Blind Justice'. Well, since the OP was banned then Obviously the ARs DO work and Had they chosen to AR instead of Taking on the griefers themselves then it would have been the griefer Banned, and Not the OP. You can't have it Both ways. The evidence here is Clear as crystal. ~When you Use the AR Process Properly, you Get results. ~If you Take the Law into your own hands, you Get results, but they aren't the ones that are most desirable to you. The Problem stems more from people Continuously repeating "ARs don't work" and Misguided Persons like the OP Listen, and Pay the Price. It wasn't the Lindens that "Let Them Win", It was the OP. He got Banned, and the grieferes were Free to go Annoy other people. I'm sorry, but i'm Not going to Pat the OP on the head, and say "There-there". He Made his Choice, and he Paid. Maybe Instead of Crying Foul, the people should LEARN from this Thread, and start thinking with their heads instead of their,,,Guns. Angel.
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Alexa Susanto
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08-16-2007 10:48
Thanks for the warning Persephone. It doesn't seem right that we can't even push these idiots who shoot a cager at us.
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Jessica Elytis
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08-16-2007 11:30
From: Angelique LaFollette Well, since the OP was banned then Obviously the ARs DO work and Had they chosen to AR instead of Taking on the griefers themselves then it would have been the griefer Banned, and Not the OP. You can't have it Both ways. The evidence here is Clear as crystal. ~When you Use the AR Process Properly, you Get results. ~If you Take the Law into your own hands, you Get results, but they aren't the ones that are most desirable to you. The Problem stems more from people Continuously repeating "ARs don't work" and Misguided Persons like the OP Listen, and Pay the Price. It wasn't the Lindens that "Let Them Win", It was the OP. He got Banned, and the grieferes were Free to go Annoy other people. I'm sorry, but i'm Not going to Pat the OP on the head, and say "There-there". He Made his Choice, and he Paid. Maybe Instead of Crying Foul, the people should LEARN from this Thread, and start thinking with their heads instead of their,,,Guns. Angel. QFT!!!! Well said, Angel. ~Jessy
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Brenda Connolly
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08-16-2007 11:36
From: Walker Moore Oh no, Chaise's name is no longer showing up in search. BRENDA WHAT HAVE YOU DONE????  Anybody else you want me to make Go Away?
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08-16-2007 11:47
From: Brenda Connolly Anybody else you want me to make Go Away?  *sneaks off to hide behind the bar*
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Signless Prathivi
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08-16-2007 12:17
From: Persephone Milk How much time do we really want Linden Lab to devote to investigating abuse reports? LL is grossly understaffed and not really equipped to handle the massive number of abuse reports it currently receives. I would much prefer they invest in engineering and development, rather than policing the grid. In fact, I long for the day when they no longer accept abuse reports, when they no longer kick or ban people - but instead have given all residents, including but not limited to land and estate owners, the tools we need to protect ourselves and handle griefers. This is perhaps the single best response I've seen to this issue. Well said. If LL would focus on providing residents with those seriously-needed tools insted of working on developing eye- and ear-candy, then I'd consider that a very welcome step forward on their part. To everyone else who suggests that taking a shot for the team and filing an AR later is the only recourse...I sincerely apologize. But I can't do that anymore. I've had too much fun ruined, lost too many projects, and have been frustrated for too long to take that dollop of honey-covered medicine any longer. I'm really pretty upset...and I'll e-mail, post, and do whatever needs to be done to help get this problem addressed. I'm simply very tired of waiting for stressed-out, hurried, and overworked Lindens to deal with this issue.
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Meade Paravane
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08-16-2007 12:30
I'm only skimmed thru this thread but I saw no mention about if this was on her land or not...
The short answer is that if I get to my land and find a battle going on, everybody shooting is guilty. Period.
How does the OP know that it wasn't the land owner that AR'ed her? Or maybe one of the 'grievers' owned the land.
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Solar Legion
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08-16-2007 12:31
Sorry - the system does NOT work.
I've filed countless reports on griefing activity, ranging from simple orbiting/cage gun use to attempts to crash a sim - complete with screen shots ...
I then get a BS Resolved E-mail ... ant the person in question is right back in the next day, sometimes sooner than that - doing the same thing over and over again.
to this day not a single griefer I've reported has ever been banned: guess what? The system does not work.
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Brendan Cale
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08-16-2007 12:37
Do the smart thing, use an ALT and grief them back. Your now on even level with griefers as if you get banned it's just an alt, same with them, and you win!
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Ann Launay
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08-16-2007 12:40
From: Brendan Cale Do the smart thing, use an ALT and grief them back. Your now on even level with griefers as if you get banned it's just an alt, same with them, and you win! THAT'S the smart thing? Oh jeez. 
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