Where is the gray area? (o.o)

For nudity yes. If you are on the strip pole taking it off, that will work, but give a "Love is stripping on the bar" in group chat so people who don't want to see it will stay away. Mostly it is about respect. Planned events can be an exception to that rule. If everyone else is in a formal, please put some clothes on before you come, even after 6 SLT. Again, just respect.

If you hang around much you will know the conversation can cover everything from Rio's bewbies to Rio being groped to just about anything else. We are adults, most of us don't cuss as a matter of course, but we can and are fairly risque at all times.

no one has asked anyone to assimilate. we all go with the flow, whatever that flow might be at any given moment. you are again forgetting, it isn't all about you.

/me erases a comment to keep from getting in trouble.

I said "occasional exceptions". As an example, I am referring more to the suggestion recently made to Aine that she should visit the Hangout, when she had specifically asked for suggestions for places at a time when I *know* the Hangout is generally deserted. Aine managed to come along later and enjoyed the company as it happened, I believe, but the unthinking recommendation implied an assumption that the Hangout is a 24 hour party place, whereas it can be amusing fun in the early evening (US time) but more crowded and active later on - but empty pretty much the rest of the time.

Pep (One swallow doesn't make a summer)

Gee thanks for using me in your example.

You have inadvertently made my point for me.

Pep (It isn't all about you and the rest of the Americans. Or is it?)

that's why we have the hangout hud. if someone shows up, and waits a bit, a crowd will have formed soon enough. and perhaps you need to find a better qualified swallower.

Ah okay I see what you mean. Yes the place is mostly busy from 4SL to about 9 SL. Though people can be found there during the day too.(SL time) Just need to grab the hud and see who is there. I see people pop in and out of there all day.

so dense. it's almost not funny anymore. good luck, Pep.

Yes Pep, everything is all about us evil Americans.

The North American thing, other than the "nudity" time is mainly due to most of the "leadership" being North American. When we plan events, we beg and plead for Euros to step up and help host and plan so the Euros can be involved. If we can find North Americans who can "work" during the main Euro times we get them to work. But for many of us the time difference doesn't allow it. I know I am leaving out Oceania and Asia but the time difference there means we seldom cross paths.

The 6SLT time was better known, but with the coming and going of different people it has been less of an issue lately.

And Pep, the "Stays in the Forums" is the big one. If anyone gives you grief I will jump on them with both feet. (Yes I know you can take it, but beyond good humored ribbing I don't let that crap happen)

You can hang out in the various 'never finished' builds of DeadRealm

The only rules are:
-Don't piss me off.
-Don't AR anybody or you get banned.

Is this grey enough?

It's been a long time since I've been involved in running anything at the Hangout, but in they early days, events tended to be North American centric because that was who was organizing them. Back then we encouraged members to organize events whenever they wanted, like my 13 hour Holloween Extravaganza, which was our first formal event , where I did my best Jerry Lewis impersonation and stayed for the duration, as well as my Friday Afternoon dance parties with DJ Syd. There were complaints about nothing happening in more times convenient to other areas, and those people were encouraged to organize a gathering , but for the most part no one did.

I don't know what the current leadership's philosophy is on events, but for the most part the activities at the hangout seem to go as those who use it. It seems that it is used mostly by those of us in this part of the world, but it is there all the time, to be used by whoever chooses to. Want more action during your time zone, get over there and create it.

Immy,

There are a couple of BDSM places which are casual in nature. More of gathering and socializing than playing. But they don't draw huge crowds... seem more like the Hangout - smaller collections of open and inclusive "cliques."

I gather you want places where you can continually meet new people as well as be yourself without reproach?

Again, you miss the point. Do you have any evidence (as I have experience) of the popularity of the Hangout oustside US evening hours?

Pep (The benefit of the Hangout HUD is not advertised enough either - and when no-one is there most of the time there is no incentive to wear it.)

Wait,if you are not wearing it..how do you know no one is there?

I sometimes go naked at various venues but it would take a lot of courage for me to turn up naked at the Hangout!!!!!

The consideration is cool - but I wish you wouldn't. I don't want people to change their behavior just because I'm around. If someone feels topless for some reason, I have no problem turning into a prim or something if it means avoiding the squick factor - I do it all the time. I got mad and visited Zindra the other day, but I did it as a moai statue.

It's funny, in a way - I was just talking to one of my friends about this, about the psychological effect that my being a kid av has on people I hang out with, who are mostly adults. Many of them have said that at this point they could not think of me as anything BUT a "kid" - even in things like group chat, where I'm not literally present and wearing a kid avatar, people feel compelled to watch what they say around me, or otherwise act as if I'm a real child. A couple of my friends have told me that me suddenly showing up one day as an -adult avatar- would make them feel weird or even slightly uncomfortable. I think that's very interesting, from a psychological or sociological point of view. And it must be based only on appearance - many people have pointed out that I don't really act/roleplay in what they consider to be a childlike fashion. I think somebody should do a study or something.

dude, if you don't wear it then you won't know when people are arriving.

i go at all times of day. right now it is evening where you are. so why aren't you there, hosting a party? maybe it is YOU who is misguided.

I am not complaining about the effort that is made to include non-Americans in the fun, just the sloppy attitude of some (not you Chris, and thanks but I can fight my own battles ) here in the forums who make unwarranted assumptions that can disappoint non-Americans who might hope better of it.

Pep (And it is a Catch 22 Brenda - activity begets activity; and vice versa.)

*DING!* =^-^=

Yeah. And, I'm just feeding my curiosity. How much gray area is there in between the PG enforcement encampments and the kinky f***fest grounds? And, where is it's bias? (^_^)

please note my quote about you in your own sig...

I didn't retract it, but tried to clarify that it was my understanding. I don't make policy at the hangout and cannot speak to the rules with any authority.

And my bringing it up helped me frame my impression of the Hangout, and incidentally seems to have led to some clarification, at least for me, since you wanted to know why I mentioned it in the first place.

I think I would prefer you in-world, and specifically at the hangout, since you can't be an asshat there. Unlike the forums.

Almost? How bout never was?

QFT