The Real Reason Behind LL's Adult Content Changes

Couldbe Yue posted it in a thread here. Dari Haus posted it on her website. Read it and know why they're doing it. I don't trust a company who doesn't just come out and tell the true reason right off instead of making everyone think they're doing it just to do it.

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/05/11/congress-awaits-ftc-report-explicit-content-virtual-worlds

What I want to know is what about the other worlds out there? Red Light, IMVU (only messed with it a couple times), and the rest. Hmmmm... Well, Linden Labs should have been straight with everyone on the reasons this was all happening instead of just saying we're doing this because we were asked too by many users, and potential users...


So, they lied to us. It's not the potential users, and other users asking them too... It's the Federal Government. Because I'm guessing parents aren't looked to anymore to watch what they're children are doing online. I have kids of my own. It's not hard to watch what they are doing, but I have other parents tell me that it's not an easy thing to do. How hard is it for people to talk to their kids? To watch what they're doing? No one said it was going to be easy being a parent, but if it's so very hard... Don't have kids.

But none of that excuses Linden Labs lying to the general populous of SL about why these changes are occuring. Sadly, if they had been straight with everyone this might have met with a better reception.

im my opinion its CYA...end of story

LOL, Jojo. I had to look up CYA. I am still a noob.

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Well, I think it's two fold, perhaps what's going on in Congress is affecting LL's decision, but I think creating a "Disneyland" environment apart from "Adult Activities" will open up SL to alot of people who might tend to shy away from it because of "what they've heard about what goes on in there".

As a citizen of the United States, I can tell you from direct experience that all 3 branches of government, the legislative, executive, and judicial branches are infested with a bunch of retards.

Think about it. I can Google "horse sex", and 3 clicks later be viewing women performing atrocious acts on a horse. Gay sex, horse sex, bondage, midget porn, fat girls, skinny girls, big boobs, tiny boobs, sex machines, incest, granny porn, hardcore, softcore, scat, all a couple of clicks away from a web browser that's preinstalled on the computer before it's purchased. Getting at adult material on the web is as easy as clicking a stupid button that says "I'm over 18, let me in", and you're in, with completely uncensored sex anywhere, anytime. Even going beyond the web, where else do children go on the internet. IM programs like Yahoo have sex chat rooms, IRC same thing, kids like to use peer to peer stuff like fast track and gnutella (Kazaa and Limewire). Azures (Vuze) as well as a host of other bit torrent systems also offer up porn in full DVD quality.

On the other hand, with Second Life, you have to:

A. Know about SL, which is getting more and more well known, but doesn't begin touch the reach of the web, peer to peer, or bit torrent in terms of 'well-known-ness'

B. Download and install a big client program.

C. Register and create an account.

D. Get in-world and and begin the steep process of learning a complex client program.

E. Find the sex in SL.

F. Convince the people with whom you're interacting with that you're actually an adult (nearly impossible, I can spot a kid avie 4 sims away).

After all that, you can watch cartoons hump each other.... big deal. It's much easier to just browse the 10 gijillion 'tube sex' sites out there.

If I'm a kid out there looking to rub one off... I'm heading for porntube.com and "today's new releases", not jumping through the huge hoops it would take to get my rocks off in SL.

See, like I said, our government is retarded.

;_; that was fun :/

SL is supposed to be a "worldwide" 3D Virtual platform...it's a shame that users from the rest of the world have to suffer due to U.S dumb@ss legistlation...we already had it with the Gambling ban and now this . The SL demographics has shifted over the last couple years....players from the U.S only account for 35% of the total registered userbase....that % figure is likely to be even more diluted as time goes by.

There's almost a good argument for LL to set up a subsidiary company registered in a user friendly country with its own servers and own separate Grid to login into.......and most importantly without all these restrictions.

That would be fucking wonderful.

So did you entirely skip over the ageplay ban due to the Germans out of ignorance or because it didn't fit in with your neat little anti-American vibe? Inquiring minds want to know.

i don't see anything that is different from why i thought they were doing this..

i always felt it was because of that piss ant IL politician..he saw an untapped market for smooching voter butts in an election year and nothing more than that...

as someone commented on that web site..lets check out his past and see just how clean he is..
Illinois is the poster child for corruption..i bet he has a few 100 skellies just waiting to get out..

I think the ageplay ban was correct...if it involves kid avies with adult avies, regardless whether it was brought to our attention from the Germans or Brits or Americans.
We should not be promoting child sex in any shape or form regardless whether they're 2 consenting adults behind the keyboards.

Ah got it. So things you personally disagree with are fine to ban but everything else should be left alone. Funny, that's how the people behind the other "dumb@ss" bans you're decrying feel as well. Guess it's different when it's your own ox that's being gored. (Not that I'm for "child sex" or anything of the sort, I just find the twisted logic of it all quite amusing.)

I think most western societies have strong views about child sex, whereas online gambling is ok in most countries bar the U.S and 1 or 2 other hillbilly countries + Muslim world.
As far as Adult content and the segregation of it.....I won't even go there as i think the whole subject too funny to take seriously.....but lets say most countries with liberal views regarding sex wouldn't have too many issues.

We're not talking about child sex, we're talking about 2 consenting adults roleplaying with cartoons in a virtual world but whatever, clearly as a member of a "hillbilly" country I'm not enlightened enough to grasp the keen difference between that and any other "deviant" sexual activities that most western societies have strong views about but which you claim would be perfectly safe in SL...if only SL were hosted in a more "liberal" country such as yours.

As for the online gambling, do you lack for methods to gamble in your own country? I swear, the way people go on about this you'd think SL was the only way people had to fritter away their money. Or maybe that's it, it was cheaper to get a gambling fix in SL and that's why you're all so annoyed that it's gone?

I'm not a gambler, rarely used it when it was here in SL...but i like to preserve my civil liberties. Should i ever have the urge to play Poker online...i know i'm able to

If you can't see what's wrong with the sexual enactment between a kiddie Avatar and an adult Avatar, even if it's 2 consenting adults on the keyboards.....then i'm afraid i can't help you.

*IF* the US Government bring in some law, and LL set up an offshore operation, we should expect to see arrests of their US executives.
Execs of purely European online gambling operations have been arrested on arrival at US airports - even though they were simply changing legs of international flights.
http://www.gambling-law-us.com/Articles-Notes/online-gambling-arrests.htm

I think that in the event of setting up offshore to evade a US law, LL would have to cease marketing SL in the US.

I'm talking about setting up a registered company in another country.....would the Execs of the LL holding company still be arrested when the subsisdiary company very much has to follow the laws of that country.

I'll give you an example, I worked at the same company as the currrent LL CEO Mark Kingdon...but it was the London office. We had to pay our own taxes, VAT, abide by UK company legislation......even the hiring and firing of employee, the London office CEO (from Boston) had to seek legal advice regarding UK employment laws....he could not be just be "trigger happy" and fire the employee on the spot....he had to go through all the tests, formalities and remuneration packages. U.S employment laws or rules did not apply in the U.K

The company was registered as Organic Ltd.....not Organic Inc.

I'm pretty sure much the same applies with LL offices in Brighton U.K

If you can't see what's wrong with the sexual enactment between a female Avatar and a horse Avatar, even if it's 2 consenting adults on the keyboards....then I'm afraid I can't help you. (See how that works?)

The issue for the execs of a non-US company when they - even fleetingly - set foot on US soil was that the US considered them criminals as their operations were making online gambling available to people in the USA.

The fact that they were an operation legally set up and operating from a different jurisdiction was irrelevant.

Well...have fun with the horse then...if that's your kink!

At the moment i'm not seeing many media campaigns about the rights and wrongs of having sex with a horsey. Whatever floats your boat though !

The same doesn't apply to my initial statement....a separate Grid with its own servers, in another country with its own login....not available to U.S residents. No U.S laws broken....your citizens are protected!

If you can't see what's wrong with the sexual enactment between a female Avatar and a horse Avatar, even if it's 2 consenting adults on the keyboards....then I'm afraid I can't help you.

If you can't see what's wrong with the sexual enactment between a female victim Avatar and a male rapist Avatar, even if it's 2 consenting adults on the keyboards....then I'm afraid I can't help you.

If you can't see what's wrong with the sexual enactment between a sadist male Avatar and a mashocist female Avatar, even if it's 2 consenting adults on the keyboards....then I'm afraid I can't help you.

See how this works? They're all offensive to some/most? people and yet you're claiming moral superiority over the people that think they should all be banned because you only want (so far) to ban one of them. I'm calling that hypocritical.

What are you ....a Parrot?

The concern is protection of kids, not Adult RP kinks....the OP relates to a Congress report regarding parenting
"Sites like Second Life offer no protections to keep kids from virtual "rape rooms," brothels, and drug stores. If sites like Second Life won't protect kids from obviously inappropriate content, the Congress will."

Ageplay is another angle, because it depicts sex with kids.....it's a hot topic, not just in the U.S but in most civilised countries.

Well, geeze, look who you have voting for them.

Yes...and you claimed that if SL were hosted in another country this would not be happening as if this whole "we must protect the children!" meme is purely a US thing. I am saying I don't buy that for a second, you could host SL in any country you want and eventually something like this would happen due to the sheer nature of SL's content, be it sexual, violent or otherwise.