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What are your plans when the "adult content" policy is enforced?

Vania Chaplin
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Join date: 13 Apr 2007
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05-10-2009 08:41
I, am loooking at these ones:

1. Ask for a swap to Pornoland;
If the Linden on charge feels that I am "adult" enough to do the swap, I'll continue to use my land as I want, changing my mind if it happens, but...

Many of my friends will not be capable to visit me;
I risk to have a nasty neighbour. Maybe a club where the hostess keep shouting, or call people to the point to full the sim. Now I live in a nice, low trafic sim, with cool neighbours.

2. If I don't ask for the swap, or the swap is denied to me:

2.a. Stay as I am, but with limited freedom. I will have to remove some things from my land or maintain it as it is now, risking an AR;

2.b. Get rid of the land, maintaining just 1024 (from 2 premium accounts) for my main store, removing a few items from it, and use the US$ 25* a month that will be saved to rent a space in an Estate Island. (* yes, I am only a "lambari" in the river - Google images ;) )

This would atually be cheaper to me, but I use some of the prims from my home in the store, and this will not be possible any more. My skybox, where I make stuff, will have to go. (I have 1287prims to use - in this choice, I will have only 234, that will be used in the store)

And I have a friend that lives there, who help me with L$ 2000 a month to pay the tier, who uses just a little more than 200 prims. He will be homeless and I will lose this money.

2.c. Downgrade the 2 premium accounts to basic, sell all land. Very like the 2b. option above.
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What I perceive from it is that whatever I choose, I will have a less rewarding experience in SL.

What are your feelings?
Czari Zenovka
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Join date: 3 May 2007
Posts: 3,688
05-10-2009 08:53
Nothing will change for me.

I currently own a 512 plot where I live on the same sim I have for about a year and a half. I have 3 store locations in 3 very different locales, none of which, to my knowledge have products that will necessitate a move to the new continent.
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LittleMe Jewell
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05-10-2009 09:33
Nothing should change for me. I have a house in the sky with some sex poses in the furniture and that is it.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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05-10-2009 10:03
nothing will change for me
my store doesn't have adult material (unless skins get classified as adult which I high highly doubt)

I will remain in the same location I have been in for nearly 3 years.
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RockAndRoll Michigan
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05-10-2009 10:10
Honestly I don't know yet. I have considered something which is probably rash though.

Simply put, if you're running a store and you're not on the adult continent or a private estate, I've considered not buying your products. Note I said considered. This is not set in stone.

But the reasons for it are simple. We are all adults here, or at least we better be. We need to stand together, and if this is the way adults are to be treated, then we all belong on the adult continent, not elsewhere.
Toy LaFollette
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05-10-2009 10:15
nothing will change for me
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Toy LaFollette
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05-10-2009 10:18
From: RockAndRoll Michigan
Honestly I don't know yet. I have considered something which is probably rash though.

Simply put, if you're running a store and you're not on the adult continent or a private estate, I've considered not buying your products. Note I said considered. This is not set in stone.

But the reasons for it are simple. We are all adults here, or at least we better be. We need to stand together, and if this is the way adults are to be treated, then we all belong on the adult continent, not elsewhere.


dont buy from me, I dont sell anything and your not buying threat is meaningless. I consider it a idle threat, if I did still sell Id consider banning you anyways, I dislike threats
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Rygel Ryba
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Join date: 12 Feb 2008
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05-10-2009 10:23
We just broke down and got our own sim. It was in the plans to do so around the end of summer, but with this - it didn't make sense to move in June and then again in august. We already where on half a sim - so it's a lot to move. lol

One thing to keep in mind... even if you are on a private estate, you might just have to move if you have a shop that sells adult stuff. We would have. Even though we had half the sim, there were 8 other people on the other half, none of which had any adult content. So we would have had to move.

And, of course, there are most likely going to be people who do not have any adult content but who will be forced to move. If the majority of people on a private island have adult content, and one or two shops don't - it only makes sense to make the minority be the ones to relocate. True, they won't "have" to move, but if you don't have adult content in your shop, it's rather silly to vanish off the face of normal search.

Anyway - the whole adult thing is an adjustment - but it's nothing all that major in the grand scheme of things. Net result will be the same, save the hours it takes to move. (And one good thing about moving is all those prims that got lost over the years but never got returned because you can't bulk return your own renegade prims without everything coming back - when you move, they get cleaned up too) lol
Nimue Jewell
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Join date: 20 Mar 2007
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05-10-2009 10:24
Nothing will change for me either.

I had planned to start offering beds and other furniture with sex animations this spring, but when the announcement was made about the policy change I put those plans on hold. I'm not sure now if I will move forward with that, and if I do how I will do so. I think my preference would be to offer those items in a satellite store on an Adult rated parcel, but since I don't have them now I can't really apply for a trade. I'm in a holding pattern for now.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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05-10-2009 10:26
From: RockAndRoll Michigan
Honestly I don't know yet. I have considered something which is probably rash though.

Simply put, if you're running a store and you're not on the adult continent or a private estate, I've considered not buying your products. Note I said considered. This is not set in stone.

But the reasons for it are simple. We are all adults here, or at least we better be. We need to stand together, and if this is the way adults are to be treated, then we all belong on the adult continent, not elsewhere.


If you are male... then you probably would not be shopping at my store anyway.

Either way, by boycotting stores not on the adult area, you are losing out, they will surely still get business even if you stop shopping at them.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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05-10-2009 10:27
From: Toy LaFollette
dont buy from me, I dont sell anything and your not buying threat is meaningless. I consider it a idle threat, if I did still sell Id consider banning you anyways, I dislike threats


I dislike threats too and that is what it sounded like...

move to the adult area or else...

Oh well
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Treasure Ballinger
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Join date: 31 Dec 2007
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05-10-2009 10:28
Nothing will change for me. I don't have a store. I do have land on both estate and mainland. I am age verified so will go where I want, when I get ready, just like I do now.
Wulfric Chevalier
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Join date: 22 Dec 2006
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05-10-2009 10:33
I'll have to update some of my landmarks, apart from that nothing will change.
Kelli May
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05-10-2009 11:06
If the owner of the sim where my vendors are decides it'll have to be Adult, I won't have to do anything. If the sim remains Mature, I might have to rename some of my vendors, or move lock & stock to an Adult location.
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Marianne McCann
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05-10-2009 11:10
No changes here.
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Marianne McCann
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05-10-2009 11:12
From: RockAndRoll Michigan
Honestly I don't know yet. I have considered something which is probably rash though.

Simply put, if you're running a store and you're not on the adult continent or a private estate, I've considered not buying your products. Note I said considered. This is not set in stone.

But the reasons for it are simple. We are all adults here, or at least we better be. We need to stand together, and if this is the way adults are to be treated, then we all belong on the adult continent, not elsewhere.


So your idea is to punish your fellow Residents, many of which may not have the ability to move (setting aside lack of desire to move)?
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Talarus Luan
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Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
05-10-2009 11:43
No plans set in stone yet; it all depends on how it comes about.

However, what I am "prepared" to do is to go so far as to abandon my land, tier down, and call the "SL experiment" a "fail".

Just sick and tired of fighting a losing battle trying to find a way to enjoy my Second Life without both Lindens and asshats working feverishly to spoil it at every turn.
Bec Sadofsky
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Join date: 8 Jan 2008
Posts: 535
05-10-2009 11:52
Dont think anything will change. And I will still shop at stores even if they are not in the Adult place.

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Qie Niangao
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05-10-2009 12:53
From: RockAndRoll Michigan
Honestly I don't know yet. I have considered something which is probably rash though.

Simply put, if you're running a store and you're not on the adult continent or a private estate, I've considered not buying your products. Note I said considered. This is not set in stone.

But the reasons for it are simple. We are all adults here, or at least we better be. We need to stand together, and if this is the way adults are to be treated, then we all belong on the adult continent, not elsewhere.
I understand this sentiment, and share it.

The merchants to whom it unquestionably applies are those who change their Search listings to avoid LL's definition of Adult, without changing the actual content. This is what LL has told us to do, and it's utterly reprehensible. LL should be ashamed of itself, and any merchant who complies does not deserve business.

A harder case is the "always PG" folks who never had any interest in selling (nor buying) anything like Adult content. Pragmatically, they're not off the hook either: by staying on sub-Adult land and listing in sub-Adult Search, they are not merely facilitating a very bad policy but also slowing the all-important transition of accounts to adult-verified and thereby increasing the pain for Adult Content creators. The situation is so screwed up that just by doing what seems reasonable for themselves they're forced to damage others. Of course most don't realize this, even if they're in the minority of folks who are aware that anything at all is changing.

Still, they'll have a choice. It's unknown exactly how punitive the Adult choice will end up being, but it's not up to me to make the sub-Adult choice even more comfortable by continuing to buy there. So, most likely, I won't.

But it's hardly a boycott, nor a threat--there's no chance it will catch on as a market force and thus influence people to go Adult. Rather, it just seems unprincipled to reward a behavior that helps LL unfairly hurt others.
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Desmond Shang
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05-10-2009 14:04
I've considered establishing an extreme roleplay colony on the Adult Continent.

Like this:



Think it would qualify?

Best of all I'd have no shortage of props available from the other merchants there for anyone convicted of witchcraft, thinking naughty thoughts or baring too much skin.

And anyone sell a stern, accusatory finger animation?
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Marcel Flatley
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Join date: 29 Jul 2007
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05-10-2009 14:05
Since my move to my own sim, I have been thinking about that as well. I do sell sex/cuddle beds and sex/cuddle rugs, and am planning on more low prim furniture with sex and cuddle animations.

First of all, I am going to see what way this will go. To b honest it still is not too clear to me what the policy exactly will do. For me it still is not clear how LL will react to stores why have a small department where they sell this stuff, but without any explicit pictures, signs, or advertising for it.

If they will act against it, I will probably rent a small plot on an adult sim (maybe even Ursula) and sell this stuff from there. I know I make good quality items, and the sex/cuddle stuff should be able to make a profit from such a plot. hen looking at my total revenue, I could do without this stuff as well, but it would be a shame of the mone (animations) and effort put into this specific product group.
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Cal Kondo
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05-10-2009 14:10
I have two parcels. A home parcel that is barely PG, it will stay as it is.

I have another parcel that sells latex clothing. The parcel description uses filtered words to describe the products. The actual content is sub-adult but I'll only be able to effectively advertise it to verified adults on adult land. I'm not too fussed about only being able to sell it to verifieds. It's the sort of product that only adults will buy.
The noise from LL is that it would not qualify for a land swap because the actual content is not adult enough. I'm not sure what I'll do if I don't get a swap. I certainly don't feel like paying LL extra money to buy adult land just so I can continue to advertise the parcel as I always have been.
Ceera Murakami
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Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
05-10-2009 14:13
Well, I already closed all my stores on rented land, and ceased production on any "Adult Merchandise" at all, even though I had some promising stuff in development. So it has stifled one potential business line for me, before they even launched this set of restrictions. This also means that none of the malls where I used to sell my clothes and furniture have me as a space-renting merchant any more. But at least I don't have to worry about the mall moving, or restricting what can be sold there. (To be fair, I closed my clothing and furniture stores well before the adult content issue came up, but did cease development of Adult goods when the Age Verification issue first surfaced.)

My texture sales are all G-rated builder's textures, so nothing will change there. TRU owns their own sim, and I believe it is rated PG anyway.

My sim building recently has been University clients, and is almost exclusively for Private islands. I haven't done a Mainland project in years, and with this change I probably won't bid on any Mainland projects in the future.

The Private Island Estate where I have my home, that I own over a quarter sim in, is currently 100% residential, and already restricts all access to an extremely short access list. It is non-Public, and according to the Lindens, we don't need to change a thing there, no matter what content we have, because of our extremely limited access and nonresidential-only use. All the residenst have similarly Adult tastes in personal passtimes, so I don't need to worry about frivolous AR's from neighbors. But if we WERE forced to change our rating to Adult because of the activities that we do in the sim, we will flag Adult. We have already checked, and only a handful of our occasional guests would need to verify, and none of our regular residents would have verification issues.

One thing the new policies will do for me is to strengthen my resolve to NEVER become a Premium Memner and to NEVER Pay LL one thin dime directly for Mainland parcels. I will stick to the Private Islands.
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05-10-2009 14:17
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The merchants to whom it unquestionably applies are those who change their Search listings to avoid LL's definition of Adult, without changing the actual content. This is what LL has told us to do, and it's utterly reprehensible. LL should be ashamed of itself, and any merchant who complies does not deserve business.

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Me too. I have made myself adult rated, I have beautiful mainland with chilled out neighbors. I don't know if I want to go to Ursula or not... I just need the choice as I am not PG.

Cheating the system as LL suggest (probably because Ursula is to small) is what the many people who are rejected for Ursula could be forced to do.

I won't boycott them, but thing is, will I find them?
Sindy Tsure
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05-10-2009 14:33
My only choices, and as Cyn says this project is all about choice, are moving and closing.
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