Do we need Garbage People in SL?

Once you've turned on autoreturn, there's not much point in disabling scripts, create objects, or object entry.

Maybe I'm being a little overcautious about what people are capable of doing.

Those old free account, no tier free 512's that are sitting around gathering garbage, should have notices sent out, that if the account has been inactive for over 6mo. to a year, it is being reclaimed by SL. I would not be surprised if there's not a huge amount of those things hanging out, trashing out the landscape and sucking up sim resources. Good lord if ppl with even a little common sense ran the world...sorry only dreaming.

What old free account, no tier free 512's? Are you talking about those Charter accounts from way back when? I hardly think there's enough of those that are abandoned to cause much of a problem for anyone. 512's with no tier are attached to a premium account which means they are paid for by someone (the exception being those rare Charter accounts given to the very early settlers). I'm still have a very difficult time understanding how you can tell if the land has actually been abandoned. You say you look up the owner in search.......well how to you know who the owner is if it's abandoned. Abandoned land reverts back to Linden Land........and that's what it says in the about land. If it says someon else then it's not abandoned. Yeah the owner may not be active any longer.......but the account is still paying LL in order for the land to be shown as owned by whoever it is who might own the land.

Submitting support tickets is the correct way to deal with what you are calling garbage. LL is the only entity that has the power and resources to determine if the land is actually abandoned........or just sitting there still properly paid for and owned by someone else. Littered Linden Land is one thing........but I'm thinking what you are calling abandoned land is not really abandoned land at all. Which would explain the lack of action by LL. Setting some arbitrary limit on how long some parcel can sit without some sort of activity is, in my opinion, a step or two beyond arrogance. It's absolutely none of your business what the owner of the land does or does not do with the land that they own.

If you think the land is abandoned submit a ticket. If LL doesn't do what you want or think they should then submit another in case it got lost..........but let it go when nothing's done. It would indicate you are mistaken. And that resources you keep tossing out? You are claiming these garbage prims are plain plywood boxes and stuff, maybe a crashed vehicle. All sitting dorment.........how much resources are they using? Causing your graphics card to render them? Come on now.......how much harm is that really doing to your mall? All those textures, scripts, particles, sculpties, greeters, note card givers, and ghosted avatars are using 100's times more resources. That is not a valid argument in my opinion.

Yep. I've demonstrated to my own satisfaction that turning off object entry, especially, is almost* completely useless. It certainly has no positive effect on debris, and probably a negative one: all those objects on the neighbor's parcel, smashed up against the no-entry fence.

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*Useless except for debugging certain physical objects that may otherwise escape. And kids, don't try this at home unless you have an alt who'll own the no-entry perimeter around your testing grounds.

And then there's the issue that would come up if all these lands were set to disable object entry, making traveling the mainland in a vehicle even more dicey than it already is.

Sadly, most of the vehicles which attempt to cross into "no object entry"/"no-script" parcels either have their scripts break, or become non-physical. Worse, even the ones which are still running and physical often have move-lock whilst not being ridden, and reject anyone trying to ride them but the owner.

What vehicle designers need to do is to put something in their scripts which returns/deletes the vehicle if the owner leaves the sim for more than a few minutes. It still won't catch the ones which get stuck over no-script land, but it is a start.

Oh, no, it's not the graphics card rendering it. It's that (in the case I described) it's a sad, raggedy, unloved little piece of land, sitting amidst a really nice looking neighborhood, where people log in regularly and actually love and take care of their land. Lots of RL neighborhoods have a house 'like that' on an otherwise lovely street, eh. Either me, or my neighbor, would be happy to buy the land. It's set to full rez for anyone, surprised there isn't more crap on it than there is. But I've filed a ticket, my neighbor there (who owns most of the rest of the sim, other than my parcels and that one 512) has filed one, and the group member for that 512 has also filed one. Nothing from LL, so perhaps you're right and they've decided to do nothing about it. Shame, is all. Oh, the stuff rezzed on the land doesn't belong to the missing person, it's just people who have nothing to do with that group leaving stuff behind. If it DID belong to the missing person, or even a group member, I"d have a whole different attitude about it, and feel more like you do.

Create objects has caused havoc in some cases. With at least some past server versions, someone can come along and rez some massive prim count object on your land, and the simulator will return/delete a bunch of your stuff along with not rezzing all of the griefer's prims. Had that happen a few times.

Griefers also can use autorezzing and link/delink techniques to get around autoreturn.

No object entry can be very helpful during grid attacks in containing the mess. For the few I have been around, it was nice keeping them all contained on the Linden road, not having to locate them stuck in and under stuff, and not disturbing me or my visitors.

That has been suggested many times at Jack's office hours, and he keeps saying "we're working on it". I am not sure what the big holdup is; seems like a pretty simple and straightforward SQL query to me.

Charter/Lifetime accounts were not given land, we were given a Tier of 4096m2. Land purchased under that tier gets to sit forever under charter/lifetime without any sort of premium account attached or risk of the land being removed by means of being declared abandoned.

There is no apparent way to do this. When you hit a sim boundary with a bad parcel on the other side the vehicle does NOT get informed that the rider is no longer present. There's no unlink. The sit target is still occupied.That's why you're frozen and have to relog, the client still thinks you're on the vehicle, the vehicle still thinks you're on the vehicle, they're just communicating to different sims about that fact and the sims aren't talking to each other.

Well, we use it with our Dragon saddles, and it appears to work fine. If the user is not in the sim, llGetObjectDetails will return a null list. If it does it for a number of minutes, then it is safe to assume that the owner is gone and it can llDie() safely.

Aha, that's a trick worth stealing.

You probably can do it with some of the other llGetAgent*() functions as well; I've just used llGetObjectDetails in the past for it.

Yeah i got one too many free's in there, they were prem accounts that got a 512 for $512L and no monthly tier, theres alot of those left around, that LL continues to repeat bill for renewal money, and they just sit there gathering garbage, those are the ones i was referring to.

Peggy, please get past my mall, it almost sounds like your jealous, if so, get some more land and make one for yourself. Ours is set up at very low rates and we cater to new creators and even provide free yard sale space, the one reason we have it is to offset tier, and meet new creators who in themselves are incredibly interesting.


Shesh...

I played around a bit today with setting PRIM_TEMP_ON_REZ true then flipping it momentarily false, hoping to convince the sim to restart the time before the object is eligible to be reclaimed. Couldn't get it to work in my very initial testing, but the idea was to try to leave the thing temp most of the time in case it hits a no-scripts parcel.

Even if I figure out the timing--assuming such a thing is even possible--I guess it wouldn't help if the no-scripts parcel is hit at sim-crossing, if the sim isn't able to determine that nobody is sitting on the object (which also makes it ineligible to be reclaimed).

There are basic accounts that have 512m²/1024m² worth of free tier.

Well, you could make the vehicle stay temp-on-rez all the time, so it'll get deleted in rolling restarts and stuff even if the "is sat on" bit never gets flipped.

You'll need to get the owner used to having the vehicle vanish when they stand up though.

Then you are talking about my land then. I'm one of the "first landers" who obtained 512 plot of 512 lindens the day I became premium. I understand exactly what you are saying.......you're not hearing me though, I'm afraid. Your complaint as stated in the OP said you wish (bordering on demand) LL clean up what you said was "abandoned" 512 plots that have "garbage" on them. A few, including myself, have submitted tickets to have parcels/linden land cleaned up..........with success. A little later you refine your "abandoned" to mean land owned by people who have not logged in for what you consider an unacceptable amount of time and "garbage" piles up.....you think LL should warn then delete those prims owned by those people. And that is what I take issue with. LL's policy is quite consistant in this area...........they will not intervene in a resident to resident issue. You will just have to keep trying to get in touch with the owners or learn to live with it.....maybe someday the owners will finally default on their premium/tier payment and your ticket will be taken care of to your satisfaction.

On your mall . I certainly have no jealousy of any mall. I'm probably exactly the opposite from your stance on this "garbage" stuff. I'd much rather see a few scattered plywood boxes, some crashed vehicles, beached boats and a misplaced particle fountain than I would ever want to see in a mall. You see I avoid those things like the plague if at all possible..........I think they are hideous looking and an eyesore as painful as any stray flexie penis floating 15 meters in the sky when I'm trying to look at a sunset. But, I've never started a thread complaining about it.

I guess I should do a little disclaimer here. Like I said I'm seldom on the ground at my plot. I have very little on the ground.......it looks like a vacant, abandoned plot to the casual eye. For a long time about 3 years ago I had a small house I built down on the ground but still spent most of my time on my sky platform. I had the house partially textured on the outside........lots of "plywood". Inside it was a little different but from the outside it was a plain jane box that looked "abandoned". I got a notecard one day from some do gooder requesting that I "please, do something with my ugly build or tear it down. It's ruining the nieghborhood" (paraphrased since I don't have the notecard anymore and it's been a long time ago). Well, I suppose you know how I reacted . So, I have a built in aversion to people who poke their nose in someone else's business. The "neighborhood" I was "ruining" was nothing more than a loose collection of strip clubs, yard sale lots, and the general ghetto look........my plywood house was one the better looking builds around. But, it did not fit into what some moron thought should be some theme or somthing he felt it perfectly fine to "inform" me I needed to change. I didn't.....he's gone, along with all the other sleaze businesses he represented with his notecard. I'm sure he AR'd, or at least, submitted a support ticket. Back then Live Chat worked pretty good so he may even have brought over a Linden.............I don't know but I didn't change a thing (except put out a few more cubes, pyramids, cylinders and spheres to "add" to my theme.

Just so you know where I'm coming from.

I'm in a similar situation as some people here. There's a piece of land next to some I own that's been gathering garbage for ages. Unfortunately, it is owned by someone else, but not the objects on the land.

I'm trying to rent my land to people, but I imagine it's a little unappealing to people who are seeing a junkyard next door. I could buy the land (it's for sale), but it's ridiculously expensive (considering what I bought the rest for, anyway). My efforts to contact the owner to negotiate a price have been futile.

The real issue is that there is a small piece of a motorcycle jutting out into my land from it, which is annoying. No, I can't ride it back onto the land as it'll only accept the owner. Would the support people be more receptive for a case like this?

They might come and return the motorcycle since it is encroaching your land. But, as long as that land is shown as being owned by someone other than Governor Linden they won't do a thing.

Yeah the smiley faces say it all, you deliberately trashed a lot to make someone else in the game miserable, that was paying tier and just wanted a nice place, yes i certainly see where your coming from.

Oh yes and i have seen this happen many times, someone gets a lot(s) next to some nice property and trashes it out, and sticks a big price tag on it, its like extortion to make you pay their price to get rid of the garbage.

Yeah, if you say so...... I think you have a problem with reading.

An untextured house that I own is NOT making someone else's life miserable.........who's to say they were not making my life miserable? They had scripts galore runing, shouting Sploders, canned (and lame) Xcite bits screaming every 25 seconds.........gawdy, particles streaming almost to my 768 meter platform. I guess you didn't understand my little untextured house just sat there for several months without some brick veneer or redwood siding...........and their run down freebie concrete walls decorated with naked women, signs for escorts were so eye appealing. Someone has a problem with control here

Night night............I'm done with this one. Getting more moronic each time I open the thread.