Do we need Garbage People in SL?

I am sorry have to disagree with this. I had to get support to get one removed. It was in between ban lines.

Edited: would not budge no matter what anyone did. And yes physics was there

No, not volunteers. Back in the days of old Lindens actually did this stuff but the grid grew too large I guess. When the forums were more active there was a thread called "Second Life Land Management" that you could post in for just such matters. Nova Linden was one to go around fixing land issues. Its all in the past but is one of the things that made SL a better game.

It can be done in such a way not to infringe on anyone's rights. In fact setting land to auto return leaves the land owner's and other allowed objects to stay. Auto return every 24 hrs should be set by default for all land and a warning popup added for new land owners that they must allow other people to build on their land if they desire.

I don't want "build police" in SL at all. I would like to see more common sense fixes than submitting a ticket that is just ignored.

Well, I was around back when LL did clean up the abandoned land too.............I remember. However, like you said, the grid has become a little more difficult to maintain in that manner. Suggestiing that land owners set their land to autoreturn is just that...........a suggestion. But it is not mandatory............and should not be either. My land is NOT set to autoreturn. I happen to log in pretty much every day and due to my skimpy prim allowance , I'm well aware of prims used........I only have 117 total, of which about 30 are used for my platforms, pose stands, the few linden trees, my flag pole and cutesy stuff I and my friend have about. I need up to 70 prims for some of my skirts. I don't have many to spare.........I know when extra prims are on my land and do not hesitate to return them. My plot is bordered on three sides by Linden Protected land........places where people can drive or operate their vehicles. I allow people to rezz objects for that specific purpose without having to be in my group (it's a closed group anyway). Setting my land to autoreturn would hamper that little courtesy I happen to grant on my land.

I agree that once the land is abandoned or reverted back to LL the land should be automatically reset to autoreturn. But I do not agree that I should have to set my land to autoreturn for any reason.........even if I plan an an extended leave of absence from SL.

File a ticket with LL............they have the information, they have the ability. Don't get some "do gooders" to do it. And, again, I say mind your own business. It's not your land, you do not have a thing to say about what is on or is not on the land........let the people who have the ultimate control take care of it.

LoL get a grip Peggy, i've been in SL five years, and i do know how to edit, and figure out who's got what out and why.

Newbs that leave out their newly found toys, for all to deal with for god knows how long, because the landowner isn't responsible enough to either leave their land on auto return, or come in every few weeks at least to clean it, or has abandoned the parcel, and its been left to collect crap. I could care less whats up 3000 feet, and lack of prims is no reason not to learn to texture something and make it look less than a horrid piece of plywood stuck out for all eternity.

As for my mall, i work hard to make it nice, its a business i use to pay tier, so if i feel others are infringing on my ability to do so by either their ignorance or lack of giving a flying feck about others around them, i think that's my right.

LL should make some kind of arrangements to clear the garbage, if not just for sucking up resources for no good reason other than stupidity. I remember a time when Lindens actually roved the mainland and took care of these things, but alas those days are long gone.

I really don't care how long you've been SL. You want to dictate what you see from your "lovely mall". Well, you can do that.........get your own estate.

You're 5 years don't make a difference to me.......I got 4. That and $1.69 at 7-11 wiill get me a cup of coffee.

Why don't you contact someone who can actually help you? With that 5 years you know, of course, you do that via a support ticket. Heck Live Chat might even help.

Yeah i've filed 6 tickets over the last year on the plywood platform, that's done NOTHING, but waste my time and typing skills, SL is starting to look dated and seriously unmaintained, making the mainland users land more worthless every day.

If they wont use some trained volunteers, then for petes sake, use some of our tier money, and premium account payments and hire more people to maintain the grid in world.

Actually, I've had great response by the Lindens on my ARs of spinning, too high, For Sale signs, one I just AR'd the end of last week and it's already gone.

And just how much wasted time and typing skills are you using posting here? Getting a little sympathy? Yeah, that may be.........but that's about all. Take a look at the post above this one. Czari has had luck. I've had luck too with the very few support tickets I've ever submitted. Wonder if it's the tone of your tickets?

this is ironic, when tonite I logged on and had a message from someone together with a LM for my neighbor's land asking me to remove a missle that has been hanging in the air for more than a year that I know of. It's not on my land or it would already have been gone...it is on my neighbor's land. My neighbor has not been anywhere near the land for at least the last 6 months that I know of. He has build enabled and no auto return and it's beginning to look a bit like a garbage dump.

I purchased a small parcel right behind him several months ago for the prims, then a few days later noticed that I suddenly had only 3 or 4 prims available when I had more than 500 available a few days before. Some quick checking revealed that I had neglected to set the build/entry and autoreturn options on the new plot, and a squatter had happily placed a platform over both that parcel and my neighbor's land and had a nice house, yard, zyngo machines, and lawn chairs set up...half of that mess is still hanging precariously over my neighbor's land...the part that was over mine was autoreturned (and the squatter showed up and hovered around as if I had done something wrong). I notecarded the neighbor to let him know...but nothing has been done and personally I doubt whether he is even on SL anymore.

The word has apparently spread...everytime I look over there now, there is some more garbage lying about on the ground. While I am all for people enjoying their land as they see fit, there really are some 'garbage dumps' that need to have something done.

Edit: potential squatters, don't bother, the prims are almost gone.

Lol i'm not going to make this a pissing contest, but i own over 4 sims of mainland, i deal with concierge often, i am told to file an AR ticket which i do, and i haven't had much luck, as far as my tone and attitude, being in business this long in SL, i know what works and how to be professional, so i don't think your judgmental attitude is quite fair. All i am interested in is making the mainland a better place, and i don't feel i should be faulted for that.

Then be "professional"...........take it up with the people who have control. What can anyone do here to help?

Seems your 4 sims on mainland would be better suited for you if they were 4 sims on estate land. Linden Lab is in control..........deal with them directly, Ms Professional.

Oh.........if you are waiting for my answer to your question the answer is


NO.

oh man Ralektra, i feel your pain, we even have them join our group, (which we have to leave as open enrollment for our tenants) and set up their own platforms and condos. We usually note a spike in prim usage, and know to start looking, ppl can be really nervy.

One thing i have had some luck with is when i see something that's obviously been left behind, i IM the person, if they are found in search, and send them an LM to the site and ask them to remove the object(s), many of them actually have. A note saying littering in SL is as bad as RL, has had some good response.

Wait: an *AR* ticket? This big plywood platform is on abandoned (Governor-owned) land, right? For that problem, a *Support* ticket will work. And take the word of everybody in the thread who's done it: it really does work. Sometimes takes a week, but I've never had it fail, and I've filed a bunch of them.

It's wierd that the abandoned land reclamation process is as manual as it is. At the very least, you'd think LL could make a bot to roam the Mainland looking for Governor-owned parcels and fixing the settings to whatever standard applies. (That is, the bot would have to tell the difference between roadside rez areas and roads.)

Now, if the land is "abandoned" in some sense other than having reverted to Linden ownership, then, yeah, an AR might work if the offending prim is actually violating some policy, but just floating there: not likely to work.

To the larger question of a "private hauler" garbage detail: All I know is that I am not to be trusted with that kind of power. Just yesterday I spent about an hour trying to replicate a jira that (somehow) causes already-rezzed prims to be returned from group-owned land--where the parcel I was testing just happens to have a big glowing, particle-spewing crystal advertising a casino that must be run by some Linden's idiot nephew. (Results: It's dead easy to get prims into a parcel with object entry turned off, but they wouldn't trigger an autoreturn of the group-set prims with anything I could think of to try.)

You really don't want me roaming the grid, tidying up.

Do you mean you ARed it or you filed a support ticket?

I find that filing a trouble ticket tends to get abandoned junk cleared up pretty effectively.

jeeze

Yes, there is, but I think all that means is your profile doesn't show. The name comes up with a message to the effect that privacy settings prevent the system from showing anything more.

After Star Wars Galaxies became a ghost town they held an event during which remaining players were paid a bounty to blow up abandoned structures. I understand it was much fun.

This and it needs to be set to 1. Though 30 minutes would be okay too, as long as they get returned in a timely manner.

I think LL should not automatically renew the subscriptions of residents who have not logged in at all during the preceding 12 months. I've got parcels of land near me whose owners I've never seen in over 2 years, and who have never done anything with their land after rezzing a few random objects when they bought it. Yet presumably their subscriptions are automatically renewed each year.

What, and lose the $72+ per year? Yes, it would be nice for some of us, but it'll never happen.

Must be nice to have that kind of money to blow on a game you never use. Seems there's something just not ethical about constant renewals on severely inactive accounts, but then they could be the base for more active alts, we just don't know. Being raised in Texas my grandfather had an old saying, the pond turns over from the bottom, which in essence means bad things sometimes cleanses undesirable situations, perhaps this economy will eliminate some of the inactive accounts, at least there is that silver lining.

(i dreamed last night i ran around SL poofing away plywood cones)

A significant amount of crap could be cleaned up by returning the parameters of abandoned land to a set of defaults a week after it's abandoned.

Return all objects, set 2 minute autoreturn. Disable edit terrain, create objects, object entry and run scripts. Allow public access and remove any access restrictions.

Garbage gets cleared up, useless banlines go away and the land can't be used by squatters and griefers.

My mainland in Whitesun has a 512 next to it; was a first land parcel. I 'know' the owner, and his 'business partner'. The business partner is a sim owner herself now, and totally moved on from that group that owns the 512 next to me. The group owner has been gone from SL for over a year. There are 2 items on the property, just sitting there, not owned by anyone in that group at all. Just prim trash, freebie boxes. I spoke to the group member/business partner that is still inworld. She is not in an owner capacity and cannot remove the prim trash. She reported it to LL herself, let alone me, and another landowner reported it. But even she cannot get it cleaned up, and she's a group member, because the group owner is gone, but still has a FREE SL account, she said that LL would not reclaim the land. So it sits. Nice little parcel, would compliment either my land, or my neighbor's, nicely, but instead sits there with crap on it, unwanted.

I do see people's points about 'you don't know if it's trash to me, or not'. But this has been over a year now, with no log in from the group owner, according to the group member. Ah well, is a small thing. I've also had a skateboard hanging in the sky at about 300m, over that land, but just barely 'off' of it, so it's not quite on my property. Is kinda funny though.

Darned good suggestion! Also, perhaps requests could be sent to inactive accounts in their renewal notices, suggesting they come in world and set their land to these parameters as well.