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It's been awhile. Notice my thread count? I don't usually come on here, or SL for that matter. Jus too busy IRL.

Thank's to all, I've been wanting to let the community know my thoughts on this subject for a long time. I understand it's a hot potato and I've been holding that sucker for too long. G'Night!

I was hasty in making assumptions about Treacly. He is so earnest a champion of these landscape despoilers it never occurred to me he may be anything else than a self-serving shill. Turns out he has been around since 2004, which means he should know better than to be defending these latter-day Vandals. So I have no idea why he is being their messenger with the message of Let us be or you'll lose our tier, LL. (And much else.)

If he's concerned about land-use rights (the only sort of group he's in that's logically relevant), I'd think he would be promoting the concept of "muting" parcels (rendering Resident objects and avatars on them invisible), which would help preserve that right for everyone far better than outright bans on land content. Land-use rights is a big reason why I'm such a prominent fan of this "muting" in these threads, and why I think the AR-and-ban route is going to open a can of worms for everyone. So presumably his motivations are different, for defending the indefensible.

Whatever. It's still amusing.

I'm happy to pick up all the tier in my sim if LL gives me the land (because it was abandoned), or the adfarmers sell it to me AT MARKET VALUE.

Sorta answers the question. Gonna be a lot of Talarus Luans around, big and small, eager to pick up the pieces.

What a silly question. Why, those of us who have mainland and want to join it to our land, of course! You know, us folks who WANTED this to happen. I just now bought a lot that had been dropped to $10/sq.m. because of this. I joined it to my current cobbled-together prim parcel, and put up a big wall of snow to block ads that were left by other adfarmers.

I keep getting kicked offline, though. I need to get back in and finish my abuse reporting for the evening before I have to leave.

Because they are judging aesthetics with this policy. They are also saying that there is a "fair and reasonable" price for land instead of letting the market set the fair price. We are now over the edge of the slippery slope, it is not going to be pretty when we hit bottom. Now it is banning ugly builds built to make a profit, how long before it is ugly builds in general?

The slippery slope argument......

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No, thats the sleepy slope argument.

The Slippery Slope one is the results of people making 1100 ARs in a single day ..

LOL. You know, they had to see the mob with pitchforks ready and waiting. If they weren't prepared for it, then that's their fault. I would guess they had the coffee and donuts ready for the day ahead. We know 90% of the AR's were for the same individuals anyway.

We've already seen some effect of the new policy. Things will look a little different in a week. The mob will chill a bit and things will get more back to normal again.

I have a feeling some of the real problem areas will get lost in the AR noise.

Legitimate, but I don't think so. Depends on how well prepared they were. Let's take our good friend U.H. for example. You know he's probably been one of the number one targets today. They don't have to deal with every single one of the AR's they've received. They only have to deal with one...maybe two for good measure. Then they can let it go. A little time goes by and if they get another one then they give another slap on the wrist and so on and so on til the problem solved one way or another. All that really entails, then is a very simple database to weed out multiple AR's on the same subject.

No kidding.

This issue is so obvious. The only way for us to slide further down the slope is if every single person involved in the solution is a complete moron.

LL isn't dumb enough to put themselves in the position of being the unwitting henchmen for every disgruntled neighbor who think's the stuff next door looks awful. I fully support people's right to put up billboards or other advertisements on their land if that's what they want to do, and bollocks to their neighbors if they can't accept that right. But... there's a difference between free expression on your own land and standing at the property line yelling at your neighbors through a megaphone that you'll shut up if they give you $100. I think LL would rather be receiving steady tier payments from the 1024 meter plot that people are actually trying to use than from the 16 meter plot next door with the spinning tower of escort ads on it, priced at $10000L, that the owner has only ever been to once. This IS letting the market sort it out. LL's.

Edit: Oh, and Bradley, thanks for the kind words!

Just keep doing what you're doing Treacly. If you get banned because it's breaking TOS then too bad so sad. Good luck.

While I hope Chip is right - I'm amazed after 4 years he isn't more jaded than this.

Let me rephrase that slightly. LL isn't dumb enough to stay in that position for long if that's where they find themselves. They wouldn't be able to keep up with demand.

hehe I'll agree with that version.

All your diction, dripping with disdain.

I have the slightest idea what the OP was trying to say. Brevity is sometimes a virtue.

If the creator of the offending objects is not the owner of the land the offending objects is on, does that cause any difficulty in enforcing the policy?

This all seems quite simple to me.


If someone chooses to use the adfarm approach to advertising and they are not using that as a front for extortion, then buy a private sim and adfarm to your hearts content, otherwise they are just being an ass, with no respect for other's land.

Adfarms on the mainland are much different from normal "aesthetics," arguments where one neighbor may not like another's idea of how to build on the mainland. An adfarm is pretty easy to spot. Extortion is also easy to spot. Neither can be lumped together with the usual aesthetics arguments between neighbors.

Zoning on new mainland should be used to lessen the arguments, between people who like skyscrapers and glass and steel looks and people who like a rural or residential look on a mainland sim. LL should have started zoning that from the get go, but those type of normal issues are related to adfarms.

A committed adfarmer should have the decency to buy their own sim(s) and keep it away from normal residential or city looks, otherwise it may not be extortion, but it's just total disrepect and disregard for others. Try self-policing.

They are not saying that there is a "fair and reasonable" price for land.
They will be saying that they don't care what the price is. Triple the asking price if you want to and good luck with selling it.


What they are actually saying that if they consider the intent of the build is to coerce neighbours to buy at a clearly unreasonable price, then the build will be returned to its owner's inventory.



"how long before it is ugly builds in general?"
Oh about a week I'd say.
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It's the intentions of a build that LL will be judging, not the quality of it.

I don't like LL policing the grid. But until they come up with a plan to take away the ability or the desire for people to get in eachother's faces then I'm gonna have to back LL. I just wish they'd get a move on coming up with a better solution. All this crap was inevitable.. LL have always been annoyingly naive.

I still remember the early days when I realized how easy it was for anybody to crash a sim. I told myself not to worry and that they'll probably fix it in the next update.

Five years later...

"Look Ma, watch me crash this sim"

No, because the land owners are still the most responsible parties for the content on their land.