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the cap will just mean all adfarmers would set their land to the cap.

I'm sure your right but, it would be within a threshold that LL deemed acceptable.

Should I repost it? LOL

Would the OP please edit his text into paragraphs? It should just take a few minutes.

Happy to oblige.

I fully expect we will see a rash of "LL has banned freedom" threads now

Just like when they banned Gambling and Banking and Ageplay.

I wasn't speaking about you directly, but if the shoe fits, wear it. I don't wish you personal harm. Get over yourself.

I feel it was implied and do believe I am humble.

I quoted Yumi's post wherein he posed a hypothetical. If you fit the hypothetical, that is your problem.

QFT. That was exactly what I was thinking as I was making my way through the OP.

I think the intent of most of these is obvious - they are deliberately doing it to pressure people into buying the land at the inflated price to get rid of unsightliness. That is wrong. If you have a financially-viable plot of land that you are using for paid ads, then don't make it for sale.

Grey area? Sure.

If your land is for sale, why should you care about the reason that people buy it?
If you don't want to sell it, don't put it up for sale.

"fall prey" my arse!

I just hope it doesn't fall on deaf ears. LL gave the community the tools to do this; They put nothing in order to prevent it, yet few seem to be asking for reform on they're (LL's) end. If they are going to punish people for setting prices that they're system allows, maybe they should consider restructuring how land is bought and sold altogether. I don't want to knee jerk this thought but, maybe this should be top down not bottom up.

What I see about to explode is a witch hunt where every advertiser on the grid will be AR'd and LL will be bogged down more than they already are; For potentially frivolous claims.

It's a point of perspective. SL was (and is) sold as a possible vehicle for earning income. Someone with a product to advertise may find that they're most efficient way to get an ROI is to divide they're tier into as much volume as possible (16m2's). Now, assuming this person wants to actually sell product and not extort the land; What is so bad about setting the land price as such that it both insures they're advert will remain exposed but, it still offers the community a chance to recoup that land. I know I'm gonna be flamed hard for all this but I don't want to see decisions and policy created on emotions rather than reason. I'm not saying there "is not" a problem. Rather I am saying; Let's look at all possible solutions that will both resolve the problem and preserve everybody's freedoms.

Most of the adfarm plots in Moran are now set NOT for sale.

I suppose now it's just a case of waiting them out, for when the displaying of ads is not enough profit to cover the tier, and then picking them up as they get abandoned or sold for a real price.

You'd be best advised to write a letter to your Senator I fixed the OP... Funny thing, I didn't expect people to fuss over structure.

Treacly, if we felt that everyone would go into that work acting in good faith, then something may be possible. However, several of the more egregious exponents of this method have made it very obvious that they are only in it for their own good, and will twist whatever rules are put in place for their own ends. If someone's goal is to come into SL to make money, no matter how many people's SL experience they ruin in the process, then please don't expect an awful lot of sympathy.

You want to come up with something constructive? Get together with your compatriots and come up with some sort of standard for how to do this sort of thing ethically. Start an organization and make sure that its members stick to those standards. Right now it's rampant and has a lot of people very upset.

I don't think anyone you describe here deserves any sympathy. There is no inalienable right to make money at advertising, in RL or in SL.



LL specifically stated that advertising is not banned. People simply can't run an extortion ring any more with advertising as the "front." If this now causes lots and lots of legitimate advertisers to close up shop because no one clicks on the ads, well, BOO HOO.

Top down? The only "top" is LL and they just gave you all a huge wake-up call.

No, YOU guys figure out how to do this in an ethical manner than won't ruin the lives of other SL residents, you police it and then you might, just might get some sympathy and respect from everyone else.

Until then, I think that most are going to be ARing wherever possible.

Sorry if this is harsh, but I feel that your profession have dug their own grave.

Well Boo Hoo??? Who's gonna pick up all that tier if/when the (legit) advertisers dump they're land? The simple fact that these adfarms are so prevalent shows the amount of volume in tier payments that LL probably does not want to lose.

LL, yep... That's who I was referring to.

Oh, so NOW you suddenly want to ACTIVELY look for possible solutions? After HOW long this has been going on in SL? Pardon me, but your timing seems a bit... shall we say, suspicious or convenient...

Not harsh, professionally speaking, I am part business owner of a very real company that has nothing to do with Second Life but it does involves 3d modeling, nonetheless I'm not worried professionally. In SL, if they label me a cutter or extortionist; So be it. I think they could look at the logs and see I haven't been actively doing any of this and my particular ad campaign (in it's day) was very responsible and reasonable.

Do I know you? Have you overheard me in the past? I've had these concepts in mind before today, or yesterday... Or even last month. Conveniently for me yes, it all blew up today so now you get to hear all about my viewpoints. I shouldn't even have replied to this one.

Right, but there could be an incentive, like "double your money back" if you comply. It would be a kind of tier surtax rebate-plus-bonus. Kinda like the savings for annual membership, applied to tier retroactively.

Ironically, some kind of zoning might make advertising-qua-advertising viable. I'd be a lot more likely to click on ads in a "Times Square" commercial setting than in the middle of a bunch of houses or along a road nobody travels. Advertising *should* be a good business in SL, but it's been so contaminated by the crap that nobody legitimate would use even the most appropriate advertising venues. Maybe banning the extortion will rescue real in-world advertising, despite itself.

I think it's wise to consider what might come next, and how it might be effective without being too much more disruptive to legitimate businesses than the current ban. As I read the blog, unless this works or some really good idea emerges (or the Windward Mark contingent gets the time to implement parcel muting), the next step may be pretty drastic.

Concerning oneself with any disruptions caused by this first step, though, would be a waste of neurotransmitters.