Could the Lindens block SL from stabilising as a goldrush economy?

That's a dodge - you can "have fun even if you suck" in any life because for some people just going to their local bar and drinking until they fall down is "fun". What particular fun can you have if you suck?



And how many labs are researching that?

Oh God yes. It's totally against any reason I would come to SL. All of Yumi's ideas are different, and well thought out, I will admit. But they would turn SL into a place that I would not want to visit.

Right, and what about their world and their imagination? I mean, come on, "your world and your imagination as long as you never imagine being good at anything you aren't good at in real life" is pretty dang restrictive!

You can fly at 45 miles per hour using nothing but your own innate abilities in real life? Great Caesar's Ghost, Clark!

Ohhhh, I was drinking a Coke Zero when I read that! Now it's all in my nose. *shakes fist*

In SL, that doesn't count as "being good at flying". It's just what everyone can do.

I've already said, if you want to do that, play Rockband or Guitar Hero. Because supporting being a virtual rockstar when you are useless in RL is going to take some very specialized software. SL is about making your own stuff (either from prims and scripts etc or from compositing other creator's work), and that takes RL talent. Put it this way, we all have to come to terms with our limitations in RL - it's called being an adult. You have to be an adult in SL too. Sorry. I think you want some sort of children's playground out of SL. But it's not nearly sophisticated enough to do that. I'm talking technically. The so called economy of SL has no bearing on that.

Right. But then we get back to the point of the thread - the tradeoff is that a design team can, and hopefully will, be thinking of the end-to-end experience when they create that content. Unlike SL, where we have a huge mass of content jammed into the bottleneck of very limited contexts and experiences.



You may have been fortunate in finding people who would play along, but certainly from my experiences and those of others I've spoken to, quite a few people aren't. It's not something that's easy to search for, either, as even the _good_ popular clubs are mainly for people who want to go and chat and listen to the music, not necessarily to be bitten by a ferret.

(Thank you for the ferret example, by the way. Thanks to that I've broken down laughing while writing several posts in this thread. )

Nicely said.

If they integrated Vivox they could integrate Autotune. And then you would sound much MORE like a real rock star.. or at least one in certain constructed bands



But the economy of SL _does_ have a bearing on that, because SL's marketing to many people promises that they'll be able to escape their limitations in SL, and money could be coming into the economy based on that promise which turns out to be false. I mean fair enough if SL cannot deal with that problem (although I think in some ways it could do better than it does) but it should be honest about it, not just morally but because if it isn't, who knows how much of the economy depends on that - and how long it will last that way? Also, it's not just limitations in terms of skills to do with creating, but to do with ones that could be worked around by role-play, thus the ferret and rockstar examples.

Edit: and the creative talent angle is often misworked as well - one thing that's especially hard to realize is that even if you are creatively talented, ultimately working hard on creation in SL will get you money and/or more opportunities to create. But nothing else. Trying to gain a "high role" in an RP community by building for that community is a trap I have seen several people blunder into, even buying sims in order to do so, and it just doesn't work. Now, granted, some of them turned out to enjoy it for art's sake and that's fine but again, it's a hard lesson that SL seems to avoid teaching people.

And will promptly miss ever providing an end-to-end experience that I am interested in experiencing. There's dozens of games that do things that way, I've looked into as many as I can stomach, and deleted them all.
Projected through a limited set of tools (though a less limited set than those available in any other 3d environment), yes, but there's no more limit to the context in SL than there is in the library or the movie theatre. As for the experience, the only limits to your experience are your time, your imagination, and your ability to suspend your disbelief.

Which is also kind of like the library or the movie theatre...
Good god, Yuri, that's like saying you can't find ANYONE interested in the progression of harmony in baroque music in pickup joints and titty bars.
Laughter is an essential part of the ferret experience. And socks.

You *can* escape your limitations in SL. I will never fly at 45 MPH using the power of my own mind, let alone turn into a ferret. And if I could rez plywood in RL I'd save a HELL of a lot of time preparing for hurricane Ike.

That doesn't mean that a future one couldn't get it right, though.



.. And the attitudes of other people. And one of those is that, unless you're *really* good at something, everything else is equalised down to zero. In SL anyone can look good, so good looks mean nothing. It's a beautiful, horrible indication of the exclusive nature of human social adjustment.



Well, most of the classical music clubs were EMPTY.

Unless they are playing Bach's "Air on a G String".

If they do, they'll go broke. There aren't enough ferrets.



Anyone can look good, but it takes skill to look distinctive.



I refuse to believe that you actually went out and located ferret clubs in SL.

If nothing else... ferrets don't hang out at clubs. Ferrets hang out under the couch. Last one I met was sitting up in a tree. Must have been part sable.

Back to the point: "clubs" in SL aren't where you should be looking for much of anything.

I also wouldn't visit Yumi's place. And I've been to a ton of music concerts in SL. In Yumi's world, following these "merit points", I'd be a gold plated rock star. No thanks.

I'd rather be a "rock star" due to real merit, not fake "merit points".

And just who the hell promised anyone that they could be a rock star? Huh? Is this based on one mentor's comments? The voluntary mentor program.

The quote is "Your World, Your Imagination", right? Bloody put on a ferret suit and run around biting people on the ass. If they respond as if you are a human in a ferret suit, see it as them humanizing a ferret.

It is "YOUR Imagination". They do not issue an imagination on login.

Not even in the Library?

Ooohhh Lexxi is saucy this morning. Sexy!

This user agrees.

No you don't.

Pep (Legally you just have to have a physical age in excess of 18 years.)

Well, yeah, but don't expect any sympathy when you whine about not getting your way, either.

I always get my way.

Pep (Whine? Wine!)

We were talking about you?

Alice attended to all these directions, and explained, as well as she could, that she had lost her way.

"I don't know what you mean by your way," said the Queen: "all the ways about here belong to me..."