No adult content of any kind allowed on mainland?

The problem (one of them anyway) is that by not making it clear from the outset in the revised CS that Mature land allows for private Adult content or activity, many people are going to find that clashes with *their* idea of A Predictable Experience. Some will still be making a fuss and sending in ARs. In some cases it'll be used as yet another spurious reason to grief the neighbours, or harrass someone they hold a grudge against. This obfuscation of the distinctions almost encourages more of that.

Hopefully, whoever deals with ARs doesn't shoot first and ask questions later (if at all) and dismisses such complaints out of hand. Ideally the Lindens will have realised they all have to be singing from the same hymnsheet at last. Somehow I don't have a great deal of faith in that but perhaps I'm being too cynical.

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Aes

Even the clubs could be Mature, now that I think about it, because the escorts only do "the Adult thing" elsewhere.
One can't help but wonder if it might be a slip, inadvertently tipping their hand that Zindra might have a non-Linden-managed future, or otherwise be handled differently from the other continents. (Some have speculated higher tier; I'm guessing that would be at most just a side-effect of some larger change. I doubt they'd want to futz around with their billing system to support different tier schedules just for Zindra.)

While I'm speculating, to the original topic: it may not be accidental that the ToS/CS agreement says "no Adult Content"--and only the KB says what that means. If they want (or are forced) to change that definition, they don't need to once again get us to agree to new language (assuming they'll eventually get around to a new ToS agreement screen at login). So yeah, at the moment, anything goes behind closed doors on Mature; it's a stroke of the pen to change that. (They're not stupid, however. They know such a change would devastate their balance sheet.)

really that wouldn't be a gray area if she is not advertising her location and drawing people to her land.

The problem being, she may not be advertising, but she's definitely drawing people to her land.
If only 1 of her customers takes an LM while there, it's basicly become an unadvertised free sex area while she's offline as well, if she didn't set her permissions properly

I can see where the confusion comes from, these are fractions, in other words a section of one region, a full region is 65536 sqm or 256 by 256 meter wich is the size of a sim, 512 sqm is 65536 divided by 128 or 1/128th of a full region.

it would be simpler if LL just used one name for something, other exsamples of confusing mixups is avatar and agent, an agent is the conection of the viewer and the asosiated links to the databases, an avatar is the visual representation of the agent, still nearly everyone including lindens say avatar when meaning agent.

(sidetrack story)
it gets funny when talking about child agents and child avatars, child agents are conections to the niegbouring sim, child avatars are avatars looking and acting like children
(/sidetrack story)

the point is nobody can find it from the advertising tools from a mature search..it doesn't matter if i had ten people in my house having sex with me Anyways lol

anyways..as long as we are not communicating in public or outside where it can be viewed..it's private.

I asked exactly the same question on this thread

/327/d9/327789/1.html

I even offered $L10,000 to the first person who could provide me with official documentation of LL policy that would clarify the matter for me:



I'm still offering it, btw.

When you talk to support you will get both sides as well depending on who you talk to, I was assured it was on for sellers on day and told it was a tatal ban and should get land on the new continet the next day.

Just imagine the sort of killjoy turkeys who would actually AR the neighbours for performing sexual acts in their own homes, whether it be with the same partner each time or not.

well i would play it safe myself..i don't think the tos changes and cs go into affect until we have to agree with them in the viewer so for now it's still old tos/cs..unless they already made people agree..i haven't logged in for about a week now so i don't know..

but if half of support sounds confused it may be that they are going off of what is still in affect and some are not..who knows lol

i'm just going off of how i read it..i hope they reword it by then lol

Hey Pie,

Great minds think alike. I was away for a couple of days, and missed the whole thread. Looks like the same people said pretty much the same stuff.

That USED to be the rule on Mature land, but so many of your fellow residents abused content privileges to the point that it's easier for them to keep all sexual activity and content in an area where there's no question of whether something is permissable.

don't start taking personal shots at me please because i used an example that was meant with a touch of humor..they are your fellow residents as well..
can you tell me if you have already had to agree to a new TOS/CS at the login screen yet?

As someone who lost about 8000 USD to a squicky definition regarding openspace regions, let's just say: keep asking and make *sure* to find out.

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Some Caledon residents literally tracked down all the regions on a server and just *hammered* one of them to see what it would take to affect the others even slightly; it actually required a physics hit that brought time dilation down to like .02 or something before the other regions felt anything. 100 heavily decked out avatars in an openspace region? NO discernable effects on the other regions, Yes, we checked.

But regardless, that ancient knowledgebase definition written in the class 4 days for an ancient serverside software build (when it was actually true) pwned everything.

Of course, since these regions are grid~killing garbage, there's no way anyone in their right mind would do a summer blowout sale of them, right? These regions were abused so badly that raising our rates to merely 95/month was a concession to us, wasn't it? Not actually Promote this supposedly resource draining, money losing crater of a proposition on the front page of the site?

I *designed in* my light use regions, carefully across years, and can't even unwind my position without taking most of the rest of my estate with it. 8000 USD is just the first year's losses. I was making about 20 USD/month on nearly 2 dozen of these, eminently reasonable but now it goes to tier. 5000 USD annual income taken from here on out: 2009, 2010... while I scramble to keep them full or I'll *pay* 95/month each. Well, 125/month next year (which I get to explain to residents too, two dozen fun little conversations). And then they have a summer sale on the damn things. WtF?

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I'm not in the 'extreme adult community' and have no dog in this hunt, but for god sakes people Find Out what they are gonna do, get a crystal clear statement or you'll have a situation just like mine.

Apologies eight months later are one thing, but I tell you what, that apology better be worth 5000 USD of annual income going forward.

I have not had to agree to a new TOS when logging in, however, it's not the TOS that has changed, it's the Community Standards.

Whenever you agree to the TOS you are in part agreeing to abide by the Community Standards.



Nothing about that has changed, so there is no need to agree to it again.

I've never had to agree to a new Community Standards. LL is free to change them at any time at their own discretion.

So far, what I see us dealing with is missing information. Not prohibition. It's been visited on a few threads already and the KB ~does~ state that adult content can be contained in private residences in (Mature) mainland. What's missing is the definition of "Private". There is a link that points the the FAQ but the FAQ lacks the information being referred to. (>_<

How about this? ...

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1203

Sound like something worth voting for? (^_^)

I honestly don't think it's a missing definition of "private" that's the issue here.

The only real definition for "privacy" on the SL mainland is; "Something that doesn't really exists" . Alt-Cam negates it. In your heart you know it and so does LL. That's why I think the Community Standards reads the way it does now.

You *probably* won't get banned or suspended for engaging in Adult activities in a Mature sim if you do it discretely right now. But you could. Because it says right in the Community Standards that Adult content is for Adult regions only. And the TOS you agreed to says you agree to abide by the Community Standards. It would most likely depend on the Linden responding and how long it's been since they had an orgasm but without official policy to defend yourself with, you could technically lose your account for a roll in the virtual hay. Because all the Linden has to do is wave the Community Standards around.

I'd love to try an experiment where I had someone AR me for having the nastiest most broadly offensive sort of sex I could think of on my own Mature/Age-Verified restricted property with perhaps multiple alt partners. Get some good screenshots to attach to the AR that make it obvious that I am in an enclosed skybox but still show wanton depravity and no-questions-about-it Adult content taking place on Mature mainland property. I'd probably wait until LL finds a way out of the complete mess they've made of the land swap, just to be fair and give them a chance to react to anything other then that crisis.

But now I've gone and advertised it, dammit

If you really think you wont get banned/suspended for violation of Community Standards, give it a try in a few weeks when the hub-bub has died down. You have nothing to lose, right?

O... and to Desmond specifically....

Have you considered taking all those opensims you are bleeding money from and turning them into Adult Caledon private resident regions? I never thought I'd want to move off the mainland and onto a private estate again after I moved back in 2006, but at this point Im considering it because moving to Zindra is going to be way too expensive for me and I'm sure a lot of fed-up people like me.

Just a thought...

This is the reason we moved. We thought about moving the shop and keeping the horse farm on regular mature sim. We thought about many options. But even if it was okay and no matter how we did it...

...would it be worth having neighbors who don't know the rules ARing us for something - at which point I have to take time out of my day to respond and deal with that - even if it does turn out in my favor. What happens next week, when someone else does it and so on.

...can I control what other people do when I'm not around? What if someone gets into my "private" home, hops onto the poseballs with their Xcite stuff set to shout and they, themselves are shouting (or even talking) in public chat. And they keep doing it and a Linden shows up, sees it, and boots them and deletes my house and locks my account for providing stuff for people to have public sex on in a mature sim. I can't be at my place all the time.

It doesn't make sense to me to run the risk of being bothered with reports nor the risk of someone else's behavior on our land affecting our business (or fun) like that.

So, we got our own sim and I toggled it to "Adult" the moment the Zindra land claims opened. Kept a little bit of land on the mainland for our horse stuff that has some vendors and says, "If you want to come ride and try out the jumps and other fun stuff - turn off your Shew Switch and come see us on our real sim." lol

We don't have signs out that say, 'Ride Your Horse naked!' simply because none of the adult stuff we have is about that. We don't (and never have) discourage it either. That's the point of SL. As long as you're not hurting anyone else - have a blast!

So - yeah, you can probably have your sex bed on the mainland. And you probably won't get in trouble for it. You are even less likely to get booted/banned/punished for it. BUT... even if there is a 2% chance of it - there is a 0% chance of it if you are living on Zindra or any adult zoned sim. Let freedom ring! Buy Adult! lol

There are only three kinds of region ratings, Adult, Mature, and PG. So if it does not match the adult definition, it *must* fall into Mature or PG. Then if the PG definition disallows it being on PG, the only place left is Mature. Basically a process of elimination.

The confusion stems both from their using the same word, "Adult" for a region rating, and a type of content; and from the fact that *their* definition of "Adult" means "advertised or publicly promoted", while the rest of us look at a sex animation or pornographic photo and think its adult all the time, whether or not its advertised.

It would have made more sense if the new land categories were called:

Public Mature
Private Mature
PG

Oh, it gets much worse than that. Estates can have regions with different ratings next door to each other. Place your club on the border between Mature and Adult regions. The landing point is on the Mature side, the stage with the escorts is on the Adult side.

The escorts can talk as dirty as they want, cause they are on Adult land, and the unverified guests can listen in, cause chat crosses region borders.

Hadn't considered. Most Caledon residents are fairly private as is, and those with private regions have whopping powers, or direct channels to, for dealing with anyone nosing about.

I couldn't agree more, I've raised this elsewhere, what happened with Openspaces is an example of why the community standards should have a clear and unambiguous statement about private residences being exempt.

With Openspaces people were told via support tickets and in forum threads that their usage was ok and then LL pulled their great contorversy out of the magic hat and pointed to their official documentation, ignoring in the process all the other communications regarding the product.

Tread very carefully with the way LL have worded the new community standards.

As the lawyer said in the second adult definitions Brown bag

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Second_Adult_Definitions_meeting



Its just a case of when now